Steve Kerr says "Shaq trade was a success"

commadoor 64 · Post #101 » by **commadoor 64** » Fri May 2, 2008 4:02 am

Its a success in the same way that stepping in dogcrap barefoot is, because you don't have to wash your shoe.

HarlemHeat37 · Post #102 » by **HarlemHeat37** » Fri May 2, 2008 4:12 am

this thread should be a Pat Riley appreciation thread..he's up there with the best of them when it comes to making other GM's look bad..

TAI8 · Post #103 » by **TAI8** » Fri May 2, 2008 4:18 am

HarlemHeat37 wrote:this thread should be a Pat Riley appreciation thread..he's up there with the best of them when it comes to making other GM's look bad..

Balls · Post #104 » by **Balls** » Fri May 2, 2008 7:21 am

Shaq can't swim.

andykeikei · Post #105 » by **andykeikei** » Fri May 2, 2008 8:23 am

enigmatics wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

That's funny ...... Both players publicly spoke about wanting to be "the man" and yet they've got something against Amare? Pardon the irony, but those two guys have little room to talk, regardless of the overwhelming sense of worth Amare possesses.

If I am not mistaken, I think you are the poster who complained about Amare's ego in the playoff. Or may be it's the other Suns fans. Either way, how can you not trade for a player who is miles better defensively, one of the best passing big men, deadly mid-range, a decent post up and most importantly, great leadership skills. I think you guys want to win now, then why not give up Amare? Yeah he is an explosive scorer, but having KG will greatly improve you team's half court offense. Think about it, Minnesota went to the WCF with Garnett, Cassell, Sprewell; don't you think you will do better with Garnett, Nash and Marion?

I think there is something going wrong between Amare and Marion. If either is gone, problem solved. Therefore, I think by trading Garnett with Amare would solve the problem IMO.

And you talk about Marion wants to be a first option, is he the first option now in Miami? The answer is no and he never will be since there is Wade, but he still seems so much happier to be out of Phoenix.

Harmless · Post #106 » by **Harmless** » Fri May 2, 2008 8:25 am

enigmatics wrote:
DW Rutledge wrote:from the spurs POV, it didn't matter either way.

we beat 'em before, and we beat 'em afterward.

Who's "we"??? Is that you Manu?

enigmatics wrote:
So a starting five of:

KG
Diaw
Hill
Bell
Nash

............was going to put us over the top?

Who's "us"? Is that you Amare? :roll:

O Poutsokleftis · Post #107 » by **O Poutsokleftis** » Fri May 2, 2008 8:45 am

The Suns slippery slope started after the 2004-2005. The handwriting was on the wall when they got rid of effective players Quentin Richardson and Joe Johnson. They also sold off picks that eventually mounted to Rajon Rondo and Luol Deng.

They should have kept Nash-Marion-Stoudemire together for as long as possible. Adding Shaq was a waste of $ and waste of Marion's talent. You never trade for an aging star who can't do sht anymore.

Plus Kerr is a moron- he told Marion that only Tim Duncan and Kevin Garnett deserve max contracts. They should have signed him to a big contract extension- after all these years, he deserved it.

- Plus I think it was Atlanta, not the Suns, who refused Amare-KG-Deal

Post #108 » by **Doctor MJ** » Fri May 2, 2008 2:23 pm

Well, I'd say the only way it was a success was if they simply felt they had to get rid of Marion because he was killing chemistry, and there wasn't a better trade available. And there's something to this as Amare is clearly doing better with Marion gone, and Amare is the future of this franchise

However, if they mean it was a success on the court this year, they did worse than last year, while trading to get older and thus shortening their window.

So basically, the Marion trade might have been a success, but Shaq trade wasn't.

enigmatics · Post #109 » by **enigmatics** » Fri May 2, 2008 3:22 pm

andykeikei wrote:If I am not mistaken, I think you are the poster who complained about Amare's ego in the playoff. Or may be it's the other Suns fans. Either way, how can you not trade for a player who is miles better defensively, one of the best passing big men, deadly mid-range, a decent post up and most importantly, great leadership skills. I think you guys want to win now, then why not give up Amare? Yeah he is an explosive scorer, but having KG will greatly improve you team's half court offense. Think about it, Minnesota went to the WCF with Garnett, Cassell, Sprewell; don't you think you will do better with Garnett, Nash and Marion?

..........and I said it in my post that you replied to as well. There's no doubt Amare has en ego. That still doesn't let JJ and Marion off the hook because they demonstrated the same childish, disruptive mentality about being "the man." If you had kept up with the posts you would clearly see that a KG/Marion would not have played together. Marion wanted out. He has repeatedly made his point that the relationship was beyond repair and was a complete locker room malcontent. You think he's going to like a guy like KG coming in who's going to be barking at him all day long? Kurt Thomas would've been still been traded.

It would've been:

KG
Some Guy
Hill
Bell
Nash

I'm sorry, I'm not seeing "the next level" there.

I think there is something going wrong between Amare and Marion. If either is gone, problem solved. Therefore, I think by trading Garnett with Amare would solve the problem IMO.

Again, it doesn't matter. Marion felt disrespected by the organization because of how often his name came up in trade talks. He had had enough.

And you talk about Marion wants to be a first option, is he the first option now in Miami? The answer is no and he never will be since there is Wade, but he still seems so much happier to be out of Phoenix.

Technically he was the 3rd wheel on the Suns and on some nights when guys like Bell and Barbosa were lighting it up, he wasn't an even after thought. This is where Marion's inability to recognize that he's a glorified garbage man clouded his vision. Regardless, he wanted out badly and it's no wonder Miami is an attractive place to play. On that team he was obviously going to be higher up in the pecking order.......and there's one thing about Shawn fits perfectly in Miami - the night life. Shawn is a club guy. Out here in Scottsdale he's always seen at the clubs.

will · Post #110 » by **will** » Fri May 2, 2008 5:40 pm

Did people expect Kerr to come out and say the trade didn't work out? Of course the guy is gonna say the deal was a success. For a first time GM, if he were to say the deal sucked, he wouldn't be helping himself.

Milan24 · Post #111 » by **Milan24** » Fri May 2, 2008 6:09 pm

Some fans are as thick headed as their coach.

enigmatics · Post #112 » by **enigmatics** » Fri May 2, 2008 6:13 pm

Milan24 wrote:Some fans are as thick headed as their coach.

Put down your God complex and come back down to join the rest of us.

BooRadley · Post #113 » by **BooRadley** » Fri May 2, 2008 6:13 pm

Kerr did say he's either a genius or a moron when he initially made the trade. Not sure how he's saying he's closer to a genius than a moron.

Milan24 · Post #114 » by **Milan24** » Fri May 2, 2008 6:23 pm

enigmatics wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Put down your God complex and come back down to join the rest of us.

Not until you pull your head out of D'Antoni's ass.

Ballings7 · Post #115 » by **Ballings7** » Fri May 2, 2008 8:25 pm

This is such a stupid story. To sum my thoughts up on this.