Woodson heated at ROY outcome

Post #21 » by **UGA Hayes** » Fri May 2, 2008 6:17 pm

I like Horford but by next year we are going to forget he even exists in relation to what Durant will likely do.

JoshB914 · Post #22 » by **JoshB914** » Fri May 2, 2008 6:25 pm

MyInsatiableOne wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Yes yes and yes. Look what it got Noah, his team voted to suspend him! And Horford embarrassed himself on national TV with his displays in game 3 (the taunting, the dusting off the ball, etc). He should go back to dusting off Noah's balls and let his play do the talking, for once!

Noah was suspended because he was late to practice and argued with a coach. I don't see where you're making the connection. Neither has been or will be suspended for the flashy stuff.

Glad to see a lot of C's fans have realized what Al did for this team this series. Woody is just echoing how most of us Hawks fans feel. However, it was not smart at all to make comments like that in public. It's very disrespectful to KD.

MyInsatiableOne · Post #23 » by **MyInsatiableOne** » Fri May 2, 2008 6:26 pm

^^Durant needs to shoot a better % from the field...once he does that, he's gonna average 25-30!

yodi184 · Post #24 » by **yodi184** » Fri May 2, 2008 6:26 pm

GreenGrizz wrote:Do you think Atlanta would trade Horford for Durant? I don't think so.

No, because they'll already have 5 swingmen starting :crazy:

Sultanofatl · Post #25 » by **Sultanofatl** » Fri May 2, 2008 6:58 pm

greenbeans wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

thats why theyll be mediocre at best. Durants ceiling is 10x what Horford's is

You are really one of the dumbest posters I've ever seen on RealGM. We'll be mediocre because we won't trade Al for Durant? Okay let's say we made the trade. Where does he play and who mans our front court with Smith? Thanks genius. Glad your not our GM.

JoshB914 · Post #26 » by **JoshB914** » Fri May 2, 2008 7:02 pm

ROY is not awarded based on ceiling. Although it sure looked like it this year. KD will be a better player than Al, but that shouldn't be criteria regarding who was better this season.

RoyHobbs · Post #27 » by **RoyHobbs** » Fri May 2, 2008 7:03 pm

I think this is just an example of a coach going to bat for his player. I think most people concede that Durant had the better year, although Horford and Scola were closer than a lot of people were anticipating.

MyInsatiableOne · Post #28 » by **MyInsatiableOne** » Fri May 2, 2008 7:29 pm

JoshB914 wrote:ROY is not awarded based on ceiling. Although it sure looked like it this year. KD will be a better player than Al, but that shouldn't be criteria regarding who was better this season.

I think Horford certainly had a better overall game this season, as far as the rebounding added to the scoring. But once Durant hits those shots with some regularity, those 20+ attempts a game will translate to 30 ppg. Yikes!

JoshB914 · Post #29 » by **JoshB914** » Fri May 2, 2008 7:38 pm

MyInsatiableOne wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

I think Horford certainly had a better overall game this season, as far as the rebounding added to the scoring. But once Durant hits those shots with some regularity, those 20+ attempts a game will translate to 30 ppg. Yikes!

Couldn't agree more. He is going to be something else.

celtxman · Post #30 » by **celtxman** » Fri May 2, 2008 7:53 pm

Wow - ain't Mike Woodson all that and a bag of chips. 10 days ago he was polishing his resume to be an assitant somewhere, at best. Now he's really feeling his oats.....like people really care that someone's own coach is talking him up.
What I really want to know is who Woodson endorses for President and what way he thinks the stock market is going cause when Mike Woodson talks.....or shaves.........people listen.

SeizeCoup · Post #31 » by **SeizeCoup** » Fri May 2, 2008 7:54 pm

Sort of OT, but since we're talking about Durant sliding over to the SF position, does anyone feel like Atlanta would be best suited sliding Horford over to PF?

I love Josh Smith's ceiling, but would it maybe be wise to trade him for a 5? As of right now, he's sort of a tweener (even though PF's in general are smaller these days) as is Horford at center... any thoughts?

I think Horford would BEAST as a PF.

greenbeans · Post #32 » by **greenbeans** » Fri May 2, 2008 8:03 pm

Sultanofatl wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

You are really one of the dumbest posters I've ever seen on RealGM. We'll be mediocre because we won't trade Al for Durant? Okay let's say we made the trade. Where does he play and who mans our front court with Smith? Thanks genius. Glad your not our GM.

thanks!! i try REAL hard at it.
but yeah, id much prefer a couple time allstar pf playing out of place at center to a guy who can go down as one of the best sfs ever if he lives up to the hype. and its a moot point anyway, Seattles gm wouldnt be THAT stupid

chakdaddy · Post #33 » by **chakdaddy** » Fri May 2, 2008 8:08 pm

Based on the playoffs and the way he and the Hawks stepped up - but I don't think you can get ROY averaging 10.1 pts in the regular season - his numbers remind me of the time Marc Jackson almost won.

Durant's numbers weren't amazing, and Horford certainly is good - if I had to choose between them *right now* without regard to the future I'd take Horford; but it's pretty hard to justify giving a guy who averaged 10/9 ROY.

Retrovision · Post #34 » by **Retrovision** » Fri May 2, 2008 11:05 pm

The only reason he scored 20 is because he shot the ball everytime he touched it. Woodson still had no need to publicly say anything because we are down 3-2 in a PLAYOFF series.

grantlongforpresident · Post #35 » by **grantlongforpresident** » Fri May 2, 2008 11:24 pm

Retrovision wrote:The only reason he scored 20 is because he shot the ball everytime he touched it. Woodson still had no need to publicly say anything because we are down 3-2 in a PLAYOFF series.

Horford doesn't deserve it flat out.

You have to give it to Durant.

grantlongforpresident · Post #36 » by **grantlongforpresident** » Fri May 2, 2008 11:25 pm

Leon Powe could put up Horford #'s in Horford minutes.

greenbeans · Post #37 » by **greenbeans** » Fri May 2, 2008 11:25 pm

it isnt an accomplishment that he put up 20 while being doubled every time down??

campybatman · Post #38 » by **campybatman** » Sat May 3, 2008 12:51 am

I concur with Woodson one hundred percent. His thoughts are valid and poignant.

What impressed me about Horford is that it was said that he's one of a few rookies either in recent years (or in NBA history) to have had at least two double-doubles during the playoffs. Duncan and Ilgauskas were two others.

Should Al Horford Have Won the NBA Rookie of the Year?
By Lee Andrew Henderson, published May 01, 2008

After Kevin Durant was given the NBA Rookie of the Year Award Atlanta Hawks coach, Mike Woodson, was furious. Woodson thinks that at the very least Al Horford should have shared the honor with Kevin Durant, if not won it outright. "We haven't had a power forward/center come into our league and do what's he's done in I don't know how many years," Woodson said.

Okay, so maybe Woodson needs to take a NBA history class since Emeka Okafor averaged a double-double in '05 and Elton Brand averaged a double-double in 2000. But that is beside the point. The question isn't "was Al Horford better than Emeka Okafor or Elton Brand?" The question is "was Al Horford better than Kevin Durant?"

Kevin Durant scored 20 points per game. That is quite a feat. The last five rookies to average 20 points or more per game were Lebron James, Elton Brand, Tim Duncan, Allen Iverson and Shaquille O'Neal. But the problem is Kevin Durant played on a team that only won 20 out of 82 games. Seattle had nobody else on the team so Kevin Durant had the luxury of shooting as often as he wanted. Part of the reason he scored 20 points per game is simply the amount of shots he took.

Kevin Durant also made a very low percentage of shots. Out of the 27 players that averaged 20 points per game Durant was 24th in shooting percentage. So yes, Durant scored 20 points per game and that's impressive but he just did one thing and that's all.

What Al Horford did was more difficult. First of all Al Horford averaged 9.7 rebounds per game. Anybody that can shoot or has a good move to the basket can score 20 points in a season if they get enough shots. But a rookie that is physically ready for the NBA in his rookie season is very rare. The rookies that averaged more than 9.7 rebounds since 2000-2001 include just Emeka Okafor and Dwight Howard.

Al Horford, playing the power forward and center positions, had to go toe to toe with the likes of Tim Duncan, Kevin Garnett, Dwight Howard and all the other big men in the league. Kevin Durant had to face some good players too of course, but he didn't have to go up against the most physical players in the league.

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