Warriors are the 1st team ever to win 48 (or more) and get

[FNQ]

The Bulls/Wolves/Sonics are irrelevant to this conversation... they had great position and drafted poorly. We aren't in that situation.

We have the talent already... we're essentially where the Hornets were last year with the draft pick, and where they were 3 years ago with Baron / capspace.

Why rush Nellie out? What good is "getting _____ out of the team" when he does it in a way that hinders development? Sure it highlights Monta and makes him look even better, but what does it do for 2 key cogs to our future - Wright and Biedrins? What good is it to have the same exact attitude we had going into last season?

But most importantly, why do most of you fans think its OK for Nelson to simply spin the wheels on this franchise? It's a shame that the fanbase's #1 priority is to not be an embarrassment rather than building towards something... ya'll should file some sort of classaction against Twardzik and St. Jean, he has traumatized you all

[Sleepy]

I've no problem with loosing... I'm a fan of a not so good 2nd division soccer team.

If tanking or big changes were the best thing for us I'd support it wholeheartly but I don't feel that way. Sure, Nellie has to go if we plan to do something crazy. But NO didn't do it and we don't need to do it either. I say the best case for next season are steady minutes for Monta&Andris&Wright, a place in the rotation for Belly and making the playoffs. Nelly can give us that, so I've no problem with him. Perhaps most coaches could, but if it ain't broken....

Then, after next year, Monta should be an allstar and Wright&Andris proven playoff players. No idea what happens to Baron... depends on the offers we get. Trade him today, at the deadline, SnT him, I don't care... just don't jeopardize our situation. Cause, as you said, we are in a good position if we don't big time. And in my book that equates to holding the line and finish the way started.

[Mylie10]

Reggae I hear ya, but my hope (and my fingers are crossed), is that after a full evaluation by, Nellie, Mullin, Rowell, and Cohan, they'll all come to the realization of how importnat it will be next year to have the type of bench that will allow the main core to play at a high level.

Our starting five plus Wright is very, very strong. It's not what it could be because of certain difficiencies, but still very strong.

Adding players to our bench, much like the Jazz have, will be the key to next season. That and health. But health is a concern every year for every team.

When you look at the really good teams each year, they all go very deep with their benches.

After the management reflects over what went wrong, my hope is that they come to the conclusion that we already know.

Like I said, my fingers are crossed though.

This draft has some late 1sts and early 2nds that could work themselves into a decent bench. Nellie would play guys who can play and there are some guys who fit that bill.

But also we need to find a way to get better than Pietrus and Barnes through trade or FA. The FO has to be willing to get there, or else we can only hope for as good a result as we had this year.

[FNQ]

Mylie/Sleepy... I dont want to be a complete downer, but you are banking on:

Cohan spending money
Nellie giving consistent minutes to Wright/Biedrins
Baron maintaining positive value via S&T

For the scenario to work... these things unfortunately will not change. The only debatable thing really is Baron's value... if we don't get an EC back for the amount of money he's going to make (letsay, 10M+), along with a pick or player, we lost the NO trade. But here are some ECs for 09..

Ray Allen 19m
Joe Johnson 15m
Larry Hughes 13m
Ben Wallace 14m
Zydrunas Illgauskas 11m
Marcus Camby 8m
Rip Hamilton 11m
Cuttino Mobley 10m
Mike Miller 9m
Bobby Simmons 11m
Quentin Richardson 9m + Jerome James 6m
Shaq 20m
Brad Miller 12m
Kenny Thomas 8m

Now you can take most of those people out of that equation because they have talent... I'd say of the group, only Hughes, Ben, Mobley, Simmons, QRich/James, KThomas are the only legit options due to talent... would Baron want to go to CHI? CLE? LAC? MIL? NYK? SAC? Not a ton of great options there for him.

Now factor in the FA market. Andre Miller, Gilbert Arenas (if he picks up his option - likely), Mike Bibby, Raymond Felton (RFA), Jason Kidd, Allen Iverson, Luke Ridnour, Earl Watson...

I'm not seein it.

[turk3d]

Regarding our bench the last two years, we've had the potential to having a decent one (as we have seen during certain stretches of time where it performed well). I do not think that the bench requires a major overhaul, I think 1) it first has to be used (the coaching staff needs to make a conscious determination to use it) and 2) the right guys need to be starting. This is what may have been what screwed our bench more than anything this year (not using it and stop trying to make 2nd and 3rd stringers starters (like Barnes, Bukie, Pietrus and perhaps even Al). Nellie insisted on making some of those guys starters when he had better guys sitting on the bench. That's downright dumb. This makes it look that our bench sucks (Nellie-misdirection once more) when in fact it's because of the way the players are being utilized (or not even used at all, like last season in the playoffs). Let the starters start and the role players be role players. This caused other problems in that guys were never able to figure out their roles on this team (except for Baron, Jack and Monta). I don't think it was until the last week of the season that we even got a stable starting lineup (if we did )

[Sleepy]

Mylie/Sleepy... I dont want to be a complete downer, but you are banking on:

Cohan spending money

We can't change that, can we? Neither can Mullin, nor Nellie, nor whoever we bring in as an replacement. And I think that Nellie is the best option if we have to turn D-Leaguers into NBA players (again)

Nellie giving consistent minutes to Wright/Biedrins

I don't see any reason why Biedrins minutes should drop. Wright on the other hand scares me... He simply has to get time, anything else won't make any sense.

Baron maintaining positive value via S&T

Orlando thought Rashard Lewis had value...
if Baron plays an comparable season to this one we'll be tradeable. Or, to spin this around... if Baron Davis doesn't have any value, who has?

For the scenario to work... these things unfortunately will not change. The only debatable thing really is Baron's value... if we don't get an EC back for the amount of money he's going to make (letsay, 10M+), along with a pick or player, we lost the NO trade. But here are some ECs for 09..

Ray Allen 19m
Joe Johnson 15m
Larry Hughes 13m
Ben Wallace 14m
Zydrunas Illgauskas 11m
Marcus Camby 8m
Rip Hamilton 11m
Cuttino Mobley 10m
Mike Miller 9m
Bobby Simmons 11m
Quentin Richardson 9m + Jerome James 6m
Shaq 20m
Brad Miller 12m
Kenny Thomas 8m

Now you can take most of those people out of that equation because they have talent... I'd say of the group, only Hughes, Ben, Mobley, Simmons, QRich/James, KThomas are the only legit options due to talent... would Baron want to go to CHI? CLE? LAC? MIL? NYK? SAC? Not a ton of great options there for him.

Now factor in the FA market. Andre Miller, Gilbert Arenas (if he picks up his option - likely), Mike Bibby, Raymond Felton (RFA), Jason Kidd, Allen Iverson, Luke Ridnour, Earl Watson...

I'm not seein it.

uhh... wait. I think I've missed a Nexus here. Foyle comes off the books after next season, right? Who says we have to S&T Baron for an EC? Let's say we make the playoffs with Baron-Monta-Jack-Al/Wright-Andris. Baron plays like he did against Dallas. Why shouldn't we be able to trade Baron for an young talent and an roleplayer? Am I missing something here? Why an EC?

[FNQ]

Why is it that you dont tie the 1st part (Cohan's not going to spend money) with the last part (Why is it assumed we won't be taking salary back?)... THATS what doesn't make sense to me.

It seems your just trying to play devils advocate with each individual argument, regardless if it ties together.

Nellie didn't give consistent minutes to Biedrins even... there's no reason to expect him to give consistent minutes to either.

Yeah... that's super for ORL btw, but it completely ignores the fact that Baron wants to play on the WC, wants a lot of money, is going to be 30, is injury prone, and is quit prone. What kind of value is he going to have then, more so than now? Why try and milk another empty season out of him when his value isn't likely to be any higher to the franchise?

[djdamon]

I like that Mullin is going to sign our two young players with talent and probably see what he can sign next year in the FA market. If they sign someone good this year, i say great, add talent now, talent gets better when surrounded by talent in the NBA, Look at the LA Lakers and what expiring Contracts can get you. The team needs more talent, not less, no one is going anywhere me thinks. We'll add some MLE talent this year also, different than last year and get some more Vet Minimums to fill out the roster.