Who is the better PG? Isiah "Zeke" Thomas or Chris

[Prop]

He's full of so many hypocrisies that there's really no point in reading his posts. I've learned that now. In TrueLAFan's thread about the average NBA player year-by-year (adjusted for pace) he gave a pretty convincing argument for NBA play and players being pretty even throughout eras. writerman got a big boner for it and said that's what he's been talking about. Since then, I've called him out three times saying play in the 60s was way better than now, or the 90s or whenever, and asked him how that makes sense wth what he said in TrueLAFan's thread.

Three times he's ignored me because he knows he can't, he knows he's hypocritical, and he knows the more he talks the deeper he digs his grave.

think you could link me that? i dunno if the search is disabled or what but it doesn't work for me.

[writerman]

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if he's alluding to how dirty and physical they were, i'm a little confused. this is the same guy who fawns over how rough and tough and full of cheap shots basketball used to be.

"if you threw down a huge dunk you'd get your eye socket broken next time you came in the lane, the game used to be so pure, there's nothing but prissy little wimps now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

what you don't seem to understand is that there's a big difference between being tough and physical and being cheap shot artists. Bill Laimbeer was the dirtiest player to ever play in the league, and was the ultimate cheap shot artist of all time, and the other Pistons of that era (including Thomas) were not much better. They weren't a tough physical team, which I can respect and admire--they were a dirty team.

[penbeast0]

Writerman may be predictable in how things come out but he's a fun read usually and a good counterbalance to all the idiots who claim Wilt and his peers played only against 6-5 white guys. (FYI, there was a 7' center . . as measured in his socks which makes him about 7'2 today . . .in 1950 named Charlie Share. Wasn't great but you can't teach size.)

[Prop]

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what you don't seem to understand is that there's a big difference between being tough and physical and being cheap shot artists. Bill Laimbeer was the dirtiest player to ever play in the league, and was the ultimate cheap shot artist of all time, and the other Pistons of that era (including Thomas) were not much better. They weren't a tough physical team, which I can respect and admire--they were a dirty team.

you don't think intentionally trying to harm someone is a dirty play?

[ronnymac2]

Writerman may be predictable in how things come out but he's a fun read usually and a good counterbalance to all the idiots who claim Wilt and his peers played only against 6-5 white guys. (FYI, there was a 7' center . . as measured in his socks which makes him about 7'2 today . . .in 1950 named Charlie Share. Wasn't great but you can't teach size.)

i agree with this. plus, his 2 other favorite players, hondo and clyde, are underrated and were truly great players.

My opinion on those pistons: if i were a pistons fan and knew what bball was back then(i was only 1 or 2 lol) i woulda loved the pistons. They were dirty, but hey, they were also a very good team, clutch, and badass. Obviously everyone hates those teams, even now, but thats only cuz they terrorized the league with their antics AND won.

And for the paul-thomas comparison...impossible to comment on careers since one of our participants hasnt had a full career yet. Thomas at his best was clutch and a great team leader. In terms of ability and stats(for this season i mean) and all, Paul is right there with him. I think, with acheivements, consistency for several seasons, and consistently showing the leadership that he displayed this year, paul will be better than thomas. That is alot to do though lol but i think paul is capable of it. Im also gonna predict right now that prime paul is a player i would take over prime isiah if i were starting a team.

[Uncle Mxy]

what you don't seem to understand is that there's a big difference between being tough and physical and being cheap shot artists. Bill Laimbeer was the dirtiest player to ever play in the league, and was the ultimate cheap shot artist of all time, and the other Pistons of that era (including Thomas) were not much better. They weren't a tough physical team, which I can respect and admire--they were a dirty team.

Bah!
Laimbeer wasn't even the dirtiest player on his own team most of the time. That'd be Rick Mahorn, who busted skulls in his day while Laimbeer stoked the fires and fed off the negative energy. I swear Mahorn invented new body parts just so he could figure out a way to hurt 'em. He was a bad, bad man in his day.

[carrottop12]

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Cry more.

Imagine that your posts are the only ones with legitimacy more.

Isiah was better, he led his team to a championship, has had better overall season, better playoff series', better individual games, quarters, moments. Right now Isiah is better at everything then Paul.

[Warspite]

Go to U Tube and look up the 3rd qt of game 6 NBA Finals 1987.

The single greatest performance I have ever seen.

Love CP3 (he has my MVP vote) but honestly when he avgs 14apg let me know. When he beats MJ, Bird and Magic in the playoffs let me know.

[Liqourish]

Cheap shotting someone is attacking them from behind or going at them while their down. Laimbeer would crush your skull in while looking you in the eye. Nothing cheap there.

Laimbeer is also one of the most underrated big guys ever. People hear about his physical play and don't know about his great rebounding, 3pt shooting and great bball IQ.

Isiah Thomas attacked the rim when the rim attacked back. I would love to see Iverson, Paul, Wade, Parker, Lebron try that with big guys like Mahorn/Laimbeer in there to stop them.

As for this discussion, Chris Paul is having a great break out season.... but there is no comparison. Isiah Thomas is a Hall of Famer, he was a back-to-back NBA Champion, 2-time NBA Finals MVP, 12 time All-Star, 3 time All-NBA 1st team, 2 time all-NBA 2nd team.

I do think Chris Paul's game (overall) resembles Isiah's game the most of anyone since Isiah.... but it is FARRRRRR too soon to compare the two or claim Paul better than Thomas.

[ronnymac2]

Go to U Tube and look up the 3rd qt of game 6 NBA Finals 1987.

The single greatest performance I have ever seen.

Love CP3 (he has my MVP vote) but honestly when he avgs 14apg let me know. When he beats MJ, Bird and Magic in the playoffs let me know.

Just to expand on that, I think i saw a stat one time that said something like thomas was the only player that ever had a winning record in the playoffs against mj, magic, and larry. I may have gotten that wrong tho, but its certainly impressive if its true.

[Liqourish]

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Just to expand on that, I think I saw a stat one time that said something like thomas was the only player that ever had a winning record in the playoffs against mj, magic, and larry. I may have gotten that wrong tho, but its certainly impressive if its true.

It's true, it's also true that he beat each one of them on the way to his first championship in 1989.

So Thomas beat three of the all-time greats (arguably THEE three best of all time) in the playoffs. So far Chris Paul has beaten Dirk Nowitzki and Jason Kidd.

I'm not saying this kid isn't special and has a bright future... but don't compare him to Isiah Thomas. SOme of these young posters never saw Thomas play and only know him as the joke of a GM of the Knicks... it's such a shame.

[A.J.]

CP3 will be when his career is all set and done.