Rodney Carney=Rip Hamilton?

Johnny Broad-Street · Post #41 » by **Johnny Broad-Street** » Mon May 5, 2008 4:54 pm

I'll trade Carney for young Kendall Gill today! SIGN IT UP!

Dedicated_76ers_fan · Post #42 » by **Dedicated_76ers_fan** » Mon May 5, 2008 5:43 pm

Don't ask me, ask Rodney Carney. All I know is the Carney that I saw in the NJ Game has the potential to be an impact player. More off the ball slashing, more touches will allow Carney to average 15 a game. I KNOW Rodney Carney has what it takes to be a starter on the next level. He can either catch and shoot or catch and drive and there are few players in the league. Such as Kobe or AI who have that skillset. Stop being hateful and look at what he does, even if it's on a non consistant basis.

Dedicated_76ers_fan · Post #43 » by **Dedicated_76ers_fan** » Mon May 5, 2008 5:45 pm

tk76 wrote:Who do you consider Elite SG's? Kobe, Arenas, Ray Allen, Michael Redd?

Kobe and to a lesser extent Arenas. Redd doesn't have the explosiveness to draw fouls and get to the line. He and Allen are much the same player except Redd's the best 3pt shooter in the NBA or 2nd best behind Kyle Korver.

Sandalf42 · Post #44 » by **Sandalf42** » Mon May 5, 2008 6:20 pm

Rodney Carney is young, athletic, and has potential. And as he starts to tap into that potential (which I think he will next season), he HAS to get more playing time. i.e, starting over WG. That is my biggest concern.

SendEm · Post #45 » by **SendEm** » Mon May 5, 2008 6:35 pm

Rodney Carney is 24 just like Iggy development for perimeter players stop at this age. Players normally only refine things and add consistency. I have yet to see a perimeter player develop a break down ability at this stage. I have seen jump shots improve and confidence improve but perimeter players don't add significant abilities that are related to talent like passing ability, break down ability, and the creativity with finishing around the basket (ala Tony Parker, Monta, Kobe)

I believe that we'll see Carney become more confident with playing time along with an improved jump shot potentially from all over the court, but the one handed runner will be his only finishing move besides the dunk for the rest of his career.Sorry...

Post #46 » by **tk76** » Mon May 5, 2008 6:48 pm

SendEm wrote:Rodney Carney is 24 just like Iggy development for perimeter players stop at this age. Players normally only refine things and add consistency. I have yet to see a perimeter player develop a break down ability at this stage.

Where do you get this stuff from?

look at Manu's career numbers: http://www.nba.com/playerfile/emanuel_g ... stats.html

He enetered the league at 25. At 26 he got the same amount of minutes as he gets now, and yet he was not nearly the player he is today. This was more than just refining his jumper.

I agree that great drivers and finishers ussually show that skill early in their careers, but that is only a small part of what makes an impact player. Most of the other skills and decision making improves dramatically as players approach their prime in their late 20's.

SendEm · Post #47 » by **SendEm** » Mon May 5, 2008 7:07 pm

tk76 wrote:Where do you get this stuff from?

look at Manu's career numbers: http://www.nba.com/playerfile/emanuel_g...stats.html

He enetered the league at 25. At 26 he got the same amount of minutes as he gets now, and yet he was not nearly the player he is today. This was more than just refining his jumper.

I agree that great drivers and finishers ussually show that skill early in their careers, but that is only a small part of what makes an impact player. Most of the other skills and decision making improves dramatically as players approach their prime in their late 20's.

More stats? :nonono:

Pop changed their offensive philosophy. Yes Manu did improve, but the system changed to feature his talents and take advantage of rules changes. Manu was always that player with the insane handle, slashing and finishing ability from day 1. It's just that he improved the consistency on his jumpshot, the Spurs began to feature his talents, and his confidence grew. Check Tim Duncan's DECREASED statistics...

The only perimeter players that I have seen add a handle to their game worth mentioning are Jason Richardson, Jerry Stackhouse, and RJ. But in all three cases they did so before they were 24.

Post #48 » by **tk76** » Mon May 5, 2008 7:11 pm

Michael Redd and your boy Kevin Martin (from age 23-25) both developed from just shooters to better drivers.

CPops57 · Post #49 » by **CPops57** » Mon May 5, 2008 7:14 pm

Dedicated_76ers_fan wrote:Rodney Carney has the potential to be an elite 2 guard in the league.

Johnny Broad-Street · Post #50 » by **Johnny Broad-Street** » Mon May 5, 2008 7:21 pm

Come on TK...never let facts get in the way of a good story

SendEm · Post #51 » by **SendEm** » Mon May 5, 2008 7:29 pm

tk76 wrote:Michael Redd and your boy Kevin Martin (from age 23-25) both developed from just shooters to better drivers.

Both of those players started out as drivers and scorers. In Redd's case he was drafted in the 2nd round and placed in the development league because he COULDN'T shoot. Both of those players had handles from day 1. If anything Redd has regressed as a driver as he became less reliant on his driving ability.

"Game description: Kevin is first and foremost a scorer. He is a very good 3-point shooter, with the potential to be a great one (+44%). He loves attacking the basket and displays excellent body control when getting his shot off against defenders. "
http://www.nbadraft.net/profiles/kevinmartin.asp

kevinbs · Post #52 » by **kevinbs** » Wed May 7, 2008 5:57 pm

Mark my word. Carney will average 12, 4, and 2 next year...... Trust Me