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Please be honest....we lose Woody, we lose our momentum?

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Please be honest....we lose Woody, we lose our momentum? 

Post#1 » by td00 » Mon May 5, 2008 8:33 pm

I just don't see it.

People are going to come in here and say that we could not play better as a team if Woody was all of a sudden let go?

He has been at this for 4 years, and bought into what BK gave him. I don't see a need to reward him with a return because of an exciting playoff series.

And please don't tell me that BK or Woody will resurface at the current position somewhere else....they aren't qualified to build/be a face for a franchise.

I had to laugh when Woody was rumored to be considered for the IU job.
I just don't see the leadership here. I just don't think he brings the best ability out of a team.

Give me a coach who can deal with players better than Woody. While he should be considered the leader, I just think he leaves a lot of gaps in his strategy and the way he deals with minutes for his guys.
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Post#2 » by JoshB914 » Mon May 5, 2008 8:34 pm

I think Woody can coach somewhere. But it has to be the right situation. He seems like a "my way or the highway" type of guy and we have four years of Bob Knight to thank for that.
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Post#3 » by Sultanofatl » Mon May 5, 2008 8:46 pm

Honestly, I think Woody would absolutely thrive with a team like Indiana or the Suns as currently constructed. He reminds me of Dan Reeves. His system only works if he has the best team. He wants a slow methodical veteran squad that won't look to do anything special.
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Post#4 » by Rip2137 » Mon May 5, 2008 9:04 pm

I think woody would be a good college coach. The offenses are simplified, the defense is pretty simplified, and he would have the ear of a bunch of boys instead of trying to talk down to men. Some guys are just not NBA coaches.
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Post#5 » by JoshB914 » Mon May 5, 2008 9:08 pm

My main problem with Woody is (from what is said) he doesn't completely make himself available to the players outside of basketball. That is fine with a vet team, but our guys need a coach that can help them outside of basketball as well.
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Woody just is overmatched IMO 

Post#6 » by td00 » Mon May 5, 2008 9:09 pm

- Throw out all the motivational speeches you want.
- Put on your championship ring you won as an assistant.
- Tell the guys you'll shave your head if they make the playoffs.

You can say all you want about what Woody has been given, but he has cost us enough games and it is his job to make sure his players are in position to succeed.

Marvin should have been looking to make a play, not hard foul the player. Bad decision.

I remember Chills not knowing the score one time against the Knicks. I also thnk he has been told not to look for his shot either. If he is one of the better 3 point shooters on this team, why didn't he even only attempt 2 in the playoffs when we were down so far in Boston? He has the 5th most minutes played.

I think Woody didn't try to win Game 5, courtesy of sitting JJ for 30 minutes in the 1st half. We truly were overmatched and that 3rd game was the best chance we had to win in Boston.

Bad decisions too many times. I say we improve overnight.

Too bad we didn't get Byron Scott when the chance was there.
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Post#7 » by parson » Tue May 6, 2008 4:00 am

Oh no! If we lose Woodson, our offense might ... not .... run ... as ....... well..........

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Post#8 » by Harry10 » Tue May 6, 2008 4:39 am

ethicially it is hard.

Hawks asked Woody to win with very young players.... and know that they are starting to get older and GOOD, management is going to kick him out.
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Post#9 » by evildallas » Tue May 6, 2008 5:54 am

I have no problem with replacing Woodson. I can ignore the first 2 years of his record as a given they would be bad, but the last 2 years he was 30-52 and 37-43. I don't consider that particularly successful. I consider that improvement as almost inevitable based on the maturing of the roster. Some people forgive the 30 win season on the basis of injuries derailed it. If that were the case then shouldn't the record have been much better this year when we escaped serious injury problems.

Prior to the Bibby trade I wondered a couple times during the season if Woodson had completely lost the team. At the end of the regular season I wanted to kill him for how he was managing the roster. 3 inspired home games are not enough for me to ignore all the times he showed no grasp of offensive basketball or substitutions or developing a bench. Its not enough to make me ignore the times the blew early leads or played down to the opponents.

He started the season by saying that youth would no longer be an excuse. The players had to step up and be expected to play like veterans. I'm not sure if I heard him do an interview over the last month and a half where he did not bring up how young and inexperienced this team is. For that hypocritical slinging of an excuse because he thought it would benefit him as he campaigned for an extension I think he should be removed from consideration to lead this team any further.

Mike Woodson is the coaching equivalent of Jerome James. Don't reward him for having a few good outings in one series. Look at the entire body of work and realize what a loser you'd be stuck with if you offer him a deal.
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Post#10 » by td00 » Tue May 6, 2008 1:17 pm

I just don't think like many have said that he and Smoove will continue to improve together. Smoove sounds as if he is ready to see him go elsewhere while Smoove would like nothing better than to be here in Atlanta.
Woodson did change his tune late in the season, stating how this team is very young and there are some good pieces but nowhere near a complete package. That doesn't sound like a coach sound very confident in his team.
I don't think you give him a new contract. There are many coaches that could get us to 35-47. And as someone else also said, it wasn't Woody who motivated this team to play so well in Philips; it was us who got behind them all 3 games. That is why the Hawks willed their way to those wins.
Woody aside, there is some talent here, but maybe not a lot of room for improvement in the next year. But getting JJ may have been worth it.
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Post#11 » by conleyorbust » Tue May 6, 2008 1:22 pm

evildallas wrote:I have no problem with replacing Woodson. I can ignore the first 2 years of his record as a given they would be bad, but the last 2 years he was 30-52 and 37-43. I don't consider that particularly successful. I consider that improvement as almost inevitable based on the maturing of the roster. Some people forgive the 30 win season on the basis of injuries derailed it. If that were the case then shouldn't the record have been much better this year when we escaped serious injury problems.

Prior to the Bibby trade I wondered a couple times during the season if Woodson had completely lost the team. At the end of the regular season I wanted to kill him for how he was managing the roster. 3 inspired home games are not enough for me to ignore all the times he showed no grasp of offensive basketball or substitutions or developing a bench. Its not enough to make me ignore the times the blew early leads or played down to the opponents.

He started the season by saying that youth would no longer be an excuse. The players had to step up and be expected to play like veterans. I'm not sure if I heard him do an interview over the last month and a half where he did not bring up how young and inexperienced this team is. For that hypocritical slinging of an excuse because he thought it would benefit him as he campaigned for an extension I think he should be removed from consideration to lead this team any further.

Mike Woodson is the coaching equivalent of Jerome James. Don't reward him for having a few good outings in one series. Look at the entire body of work and realize what a loser you'd be stuck with if you offer him a deal.


No doubt. Beyond that, I'm not sure who is staying and who is leaving but it seems like Woody has a very strained relationship with quite a few of our players (not to mention no relationship at all with guys like Richarson and Solo who often seem like they are in their own little world during warmups). He is not a coach that is worth building a roster around. If Phil Jackson comes in and asks you to trade guys because he needs to fit them into the triangle, you do it. You don't do if for Woody though - of course, we do need better fitting peices around the guys we decide are our core.
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Post#12 » by Master8492 » Tue May 6, 2008 3:50 pm

evildallas wrote:
He started the season by saying that youth would no longer be an excuse. The players had to step up and be expected to play like veterans. I'm not sure if I heard him do an interview over the last month and a half where he did not bring up how young and inexperienced this team is. For that hypocritical slinging of an excuse because he thought it would benefit him as he campaigned for an extension I think he should be removed from consideration to lead this team any further.



Yup. This guy doesn't seem to understand humility. He's cocky as heck for being one of the worse coach of all time.
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Post#13 » by JoshB914 » Tue May 6, 2008 5:35 pm

Woody isn't cocky, he's just old school. He is all basketball and nothing else. Our players are young and they need someone to help them with things off the floor too.
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Post#14 » by conleyorbust » Tue May 6, 2008 6:45 pm

JoshB914 wrote:Woody isn't cocky, he's just old school. He is all basketball and nothing else. Our players are young and they need someone to help them with things off the floor too.


Nah, I think evil and master were just referring to the fact that Woody is guilty of a little double-talk regarding what can and can't be used as an excuse for performance.
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Post#15 » by tontoz » Tue May 6, 2008 8:57 pm

Mike Woodson is the coaching equivalent of Jerome James. Don't reward him for having a few good outings in one series. Look at the entire body of work and realize what a loser you'd be stuck with if you offer him a deal.



That is a great comparison. I think i might have to use that sometime if you don't mind. :wink:
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Post#16 » by JoshB914 » Tue May 6, 2008 9:33 pm

Maing Jerome James comparisons is one of my favorite things to do.

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