Suns future

[stood-amire]

What do you think Suns management has in mind for this team in lets sey 4 year period? Who do you think we will go after when Nashes and Shaq's contract expires, we will have approximately 35 milions of cap space, who would you like the most here in Phoenix Paul, James, Wade, D-Will? And do you think we will be contenders again when our veterans retire?

I personally would go after Paul but i doubt we get him here.

[Sun Scorched]

LeBron will go to New York.

Don't want Wade. He's good, but he can't carry a team like people believe. I'd rather pay Amare max money than Wade.

Williams will stay in Utah. That team is pretty solid and Sloan knows what he's doing.

Paul is every Suns fans' wet dream. It's a long shot, but one we need to pursue none-the-less.

[Sarlonus]

If you look at what Kerr wants, he likes a long athletic players so they can build a defensive team. We may target somebody from Paul's draft class because they will be RFA. Paul is not going to be available because he is worth the max deal. The same thing applies to Deron Williams. You get RFA by overpaying them and hoping they work out. Judging from the 2005 draft class, Marvin Williams may be the only player worth it not extended by then. He will probably try and get the max deal instead of accepting a lower extension.

The Suns probably have a better chance waiting for the following year. Potentially Tyrus Thomas, Thabo Sefolosha, Rodney Carney, Randy Foye, or Shawne Williams (if he develops) will be available. At least one of those players won't sign an extension.

[NaplesSunsFan]

There are not going to be a ton of teams with that kind of money to spend, Sarlonus. I'm not up on the exact numbers, I'm sure you have a better idea than I do, but isnt the money supposedly tight for a lot of the league in the next couple years to come?

[Sarlonus]

I just realize that we won't have cap space until the 2006 class are RFA so I did everything wrong.
That means Tryus Thomas, Thabo Sefolosha, Rodney Carney and Foye could be RFA wen we have the cap room. Right now the only players that look locked to be re-signed are Roy, Aldridge, and Gay. Other than that we could try to pry away any other player in that class.
As for more veteran free agents, Joe Johnson (haha), Anderson Varejao, Pavlovic, Mike Miller, Darko Milicic, Steven Hunter, Travis Outlaw, Luke Ridnour, Carlos Boozer (possibly), Al Harrington, Stephen Jackson may be available. In addition stars of 2003 like Lebron James, Wade, and Bosh have opt out clauses for that year.

Also Ricky Rubio might not enter the draft until the 2011 draft. Apparently that year his contract expires. He has something like a 6 euro buyout clause before then.

[eastsidecrossover]

People are smoking some good stuff to think some of these big names are going to come here. We are not LA, chicago or NY. The team has to be smart and find good players to fit around Amare. Remember, he is one of the best big men in the league. Built around him and you do not have to worry about those names. bring in solid players, and draft well. To bad we don't have that many picks to build this team up.

[Vernon Maxwell]

lebron and paul will never come to AZ, that's a given. deron won't come because him + boozer will always be title contenders.

i could see wade coming if miami was still in lottery-ville.

[enigmatics]

lebron and paul will never come to AZ, that's a given. deron won't come because him + boozer will always be title contenders.

i could see wade coming if miami was still in lottery-ville.

There's an outside shot because of the friendship Paul and Amare have.

[DBurks2818]

I see no reason why CP3 will turn down a max, 5 year extension this summer.

[albasuna]

What relationship do Amare and Paul share?

[asudevil]

What do you think Suns management has in mind for this team in lets sey 4 year period? Who do you think we will go after when Nashes and Shaq's contract expires, we will have approximately 35 milions of cap space, who would you like the most here in Phoenix Paul, James, Wade, D-Will? And do you think we will be contenders again when our veterans retire?

I personally would go after Paul but i doubt we get him here.

IMO the suns are screwed.

1.) when was the last time a team rebuilt without draft picks? the suns have traded EVERY SINGLE available draft pick they have. cap space does very little. even if you THINK the suns will have some cap space, it vanishes extremely quick when you factor in all the CAP restrictions and fun stuff.

2.) by the time Shaq and Nash are expiring, Amare may also be an expring contract. unless the suns show Amare that they are on the road to building a sucessful championship calibur team within two or three years of Shaq and Nash being FAs, he will have very little reason to stay with this franchise

3.) HUGE name FA's generally DO NOT test the FA market. when was the last time a franchise calibur FA left for another team. its been a LONG time, and i cannot honestly think of one right now.

4.) i really expect the suns to be a lotto team in the after the 2010 season right now. they traded their pick + their 2008 pick, with no restrictions, to seattle in order to ride themselves of KT's contract. so stupid that i cannot express my anger without getting banned. SO, if they really wanted to tank that season for a good pick, they can't. abandoning their contracts (Nash and Shaq) that year would end them with NOTHING. so stupid...so stupid.

5.) again, building solely through FA's DOES NOT WORK. Minny had to do it because of their Joe Smith fiasco, and look at where it left them. they HAD to trade away their franchise player because they had NOWHERE to go. in the end they had to start from scratch. and honestly, if the suns really expect to rebuild, they will have to trade away Amare for picks, rookie contracts, and expirings if they really want to rebuild. otherwise they'll just be patching and digging themselves deeper in a whole with their MLE.

[dantian]

We need develop Amare into the primary goto guy and find another goto perimeter player of high impact. Diaw, though currently the best postup option on the team, is only an opportunist, mismatch exploiting scorer and way too passive in personality. Nobody else on the roster is capable of that role.

So, it'd be ideal if we could somehow get Ellis for LB and other considerations to have a 1-2 punch for the future in Amare/Ellis.

Alternatively, we could use Diaw/LB for better defense, shooting and backup PG. Say, LB/Diaw for Lowry/Miller/Collins. With our exceptions for more FAs, we'd still be competing for the title next year. The best reason is that DA be gone!

[thamadkant]

How will you get Barbosa for Ellis?

How do you turn lead to gold?


better chance of getting Baron Davis, it would take a lot but, if he isnt happy there, he can force a trade.

I'd do a Nash, Barbosa for Davis, Wright and Warriors pick right about now.

Start Nash, Ellis, Jackson, Harington and Biedrins. With Barbosa, Barnes off the bench.

Suns start:
Davis, Bell, Diaw, Stoudemire, O'Neal. With Hill, Giricek, picks off the bench.

ONLY reason why... is because, D'Antoni looks to be out and the new coaching will change Nash's control. By trading him to Warriors, he gets to play with Nellie Ball and the running Warriors, who is reminiscence of the past Suns. Since Suns cannot simply out-shoot the other team, they need defense, and Davis is "okay" defender and is big enough to match up with Deron, Chris Paul, Billups, Parker etc.

[starbosa10]

i dont understand why people i talkin about trading nash thats pretty (Please Use More Appropriate Word). it doesnt help this team any unless we get a top 5 pick for him. on the other hand if i were nash id want to go to a team like gs where the mangement doesnt suck and they all want to have sucess

[JohnVancouver]

Two options that make sense that I can see:

1 - adopt a win now, all or nothing stance and spend whatever, lux tax be damned, to put hte pieces together with what we have (Nash, Amare. Shaq)
Not going to happen judging by everything that's gone before.

2 - blow it up. Nash has great value still, and is expiring shortly. Diaw upped his value witht he Spurs series, even with the contract he has. Someone will want Barbs.
Have to keep Shaq due to huge contract, and Amare is the future whether he ever learns to box out and play D or not. He's a 25-year-old monster ...

or 3, which makes not so much sense but I see as far more likely: make some piddling moves of the one step ahead, one step back type, squander draft picks (though given how cheap rookies are Kerr may be allowed to keep them this year to replace the expiring bench, and generally accomplish SFA.

How did it come to this so fast?
Well, not so fast really if you go back over the years and look at the trades and draft giveaways.
Really a shame - this team could have been solid for years to come.