The Official 2008 Sixers Offseason Thread

[Wilfried]

Iggy right now is more valuable than Gordon. Gordon is a jump shooting midget 6'2" shooting guard. But I would do an Iggy for Gordon and Thabo trade in a heart beat. I would then look to acquire Turiaf, Childress, and Desmond Mason while getting rid of Willie Green, Lou Williams, while replacing Ollie and Korver's shooting. Miller and Gordon also will be shopped throughout the season.

PG Miller, Thabo, Mason
SG Childress, Gordon
SF Thad, Carney
PF Turiaf, Evans, Jason Smith
C Dalembert, Jason Smith

Hey man, this isn't NBA live 2008 or something.
That line-up stinks btw, what in the world is wrong with Lou-Will to ship him out?

[SendEm]

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Boy am I glad you're not the GM of the Sixers....that's not a good lineup at all:

1) Mason stinks and doesn't play point guard.
2) Turiaf, Thabo & Gordon probably won't come here.
3) This won't solve the PF problem.


Thanks for playing tho!

Mason played 14 minutes per night at PG for the Wizards and 6 minutes at SG. As for Turiaf your "probably" doesn't make much sense, who in this world turns down a promotion and higher grade of salary? I mean come on...Also Mason provides needed outside shooting presumably for VERY cheap (less than Ollie). You can look at most potential trades on here they never address outside shooting. Mason is a free agent for a team with salary cap concerns...

[SendEm]

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Hey man, this isn't NBA live 2008 or something.
That line-up stinks btw, what in the world is wrong with Lou-Will to ship him out?

Sorry I live in reality. It would take some MAJOR convincing for me to believe that team is worst than

Miller, Lou Williams, Ollie
Willie Green, Lou Williams, Carney
Iggy, Carney
Thad, Evans, Smith
Dalembert, Smith

PG Miller, Thabo, Mason
SG Childress, Gordon
SF Thad, Carney
PF Turiaf, Evans, Jason Smith
C Dalembert, Jason Smith

The most important player is STILL starting at PG but now he is surrounded by finishers and shooters. I know it's not the "typical" fantasy trade that involves getting back both Kobe and Dirk Nowitzki but I like our chances moving forward in REALITY.

[Sixersftw]

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Mason played 14 minutes per night at PG for the Wizards and 6 minutes at SG.

your talking about the wrong mason dude.

desmond mason plays for the bucks and plays sf
your talking about roger mason

[SendEm]

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your talking about the wrong mason dude.

desmond mason plays for the bucks and plays sf
your talking about roger mason

Yeah I did accidentally type Desmond INSTEAD of Roger, but I meant acquiring Roger Mason Jr the entire time. I do now agree with a statement earlier that "mason is garbage". Desmond Mason is certainly garbage but Roger Mason is a versatile high quality shooter that has proven that he can be a back-up PG in the NBA. He's no Calderon as a backup PG but I certainly like him far better than Kevin Ollie and I like him better than Lou Williams because he is a true role player that can be a spot up marksmen like Wesley Person and James Jones in addition to backup PG duties.

[Philly_King]

Iggy right now is more valuable than Gordon. Gordon is a jump shooting midget 6'2" shooting guard. But I would do an Iggy for Gordon and Thabo trade in a heart beat. I would then look to acquire Turiaf, Childress, and Desmond Mason while getting rid of Willie Green, Lou Williams, while replacing Ollie and Korver's shooting. Miller and Gordon also will be shopped throughout the season.

PG Miller, Thabo, Mason
SG Childress, Gordon
SF Thad, Carney
PF Turiaf, Evans, Jason Smith
C Dalembert, Jason Smith

This is the most idiotic thing i've ever read.
1. You want to trade for Gordon only to trade him AGAIN during the season. Huh?
2. We would probably end up having the worst scoring PF/C combo in the league. Turiaf isn't the solution at PF by a long shot, buddy.
3. Thabo doesn't play PG
4. Where does the scoring come from? Most players in the lineup haven't even averaged 12+ppg consistently during their career.

That lineup is even slightly worse than our current lineup, which is still pending FA aquisitions.

Stop playing NBA live and stick to your day-job dude.

[gags1288]

I don't want to see the Sixers make moves or make decisions just for the sake of doing something. This is a critically important off-season for this team and the right decisions have to be made because they aren't going to have this kind of flexibility every off-season.

These are really the questions that need to be answered now before anything can be done:

1) Does this team really have a championship level core (because that's all that matters) that you can build around?

2) Is Igoudala really the type of player you want to make one of the cornerstones of your franchise (because that's what he's forcing you do)?

3) If Thad's future is at the 3, which I think most of us believe it us, is Igoudala really a quality 2 guard?

After you answer those questions, you can make a decision on the direction you want to go with Iggy in the off-season and the direction in general. At this point, I don't see a championship core. I see some nice players that fit pretty well together and as they grow they have the ability to get better, but I don't think they'll be more then a 50 win team or advance past the 2nd round. What I do see is a couple of workable pieces (Dalembert, Lou, Rodney as an 8th/9th man, Smith as a 4th big) and possibly one really nice piece to build on (Thad).

I worry about Stefanski. He did a decent job in NJ, but he got that team stuck and forced them into a rebuild after a few years of trying to win with the big 3. I worry that if we just spend the money on a decent PF, and keep everyone else here, we'll wind up being a decent team that drafts between 18-23 for a few seasons before we realize that we have to blow it up (as NJ is doing now).

We all know that stars win in the NBA, every team left in this playoffs has a superstar level talent on their team (Lebron/Howard/'Sheed/KG/Williams/Paul/Kobe/Duncan). Now chances are that we aren't going to find that guy in the draft because every one of those guys with the exception of Kobe was a top 5 pick and I don't see us picking that high anytime soon. We also aren't going to find that guy in free agency because this year there isn't anyone available that is at that level or has the ability to reach that level (A healthy Brand is pretty close, I suppose).

So again I go back to what I said earlier. Do what you can do trade Igoudala for a reliable scorer whether it be a PF or a real SG. After that, if someone very good becomes available to fill the position that isn't filled via trade then sign him. If not, don't commit to anyone long term, try to improve the team in the short term with guys that will allow you flexibility over the next few years, and wait for the right guys to become available.

[IggyTheBEaST]

"1) Does this team really have a championship level core (because that's all that matters) that you can build around? "

gags, the reality is, most teams in the nba dont EVER have a championship level core. Once they realize they failed, they either ride it out or blow it up and start again. The key is to put togather the ebst group of guys you can, and do your best. Even the lakers were in trouble before bynum started playin outa his mind and gasol landed in their lap. We have a good base here in philly, and the rebuild isnt over. Daly is solid. Reggie is energy off the bench. Lwill will improve. Thad will improve. Even Igoudala will improve. If we can add a stud to that core, we are in pretty good shape. If that happens, next year we can use millers expiring to obtain whatever missing peice we need

[SendEm]

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This is the most idiotic thing i've ever read.
1. You want to trade for Gordon only to trade him AGAIN during the season. Huh?
2. We would probably end up having the worst scoring PF/C combo in the league. Turiaf isn't the solution at PF by a long shot, buddy.
3. Thabo doesn't play PG
4. Where does the scoring come from? Most players in the lineup haven't even averaged 12+ppg consistently during their career.

That lineup is even slightly worse than our current lineup, which is still pending FA aquisitions.

Stop playing NBA live and stick to your day-job dude.

Normally this is where the average internet poster asks "So what would you do to improve the Sixers?" I on the other hand couldn't even care less what you would do to improve the Sixers.
Turiaf is better than any PF that we have and he can play center. Elton Brand contract opt out prayers and Charlie V./Josh Smith at PF miscasting certainly do not seem like viable options (which are the predominance of conversation around here along with the Kevin Love fest). Turiaf is a REALISTIC option although less sexy than spending months talking about how good the Sixers would be if Elton Brand opts out of his last year at $16 million dollars to take a contract with us starting at our $10 per year.

As for the Ben Gordon trade that was a reaction to someone bringing up his name in an earlier post. Thabo is the player that I really like in that trade.

Thabo and Roger Mason played a great deal of point guard this past season. They both are like Ron Harper, Aaron Mckie, and Brian Shaw with having that ability as long good height players that can handle in traffic and dish.

Thabo is "Fantasy tradish" but Turiaf and Roger Mason are needed FREE AGENT additions as far as three point shooting, interior scoring/defense/rebounding go. Jason Smith is not a backup center and Reggie Evans and Thad are not starting PF's. Ronnie is a better option at starting PF than Reggie/Thad and he also is a better backup C than Jason Smith. We win by signing Turiaf, we lose by praying that Brand opts out of $16 million.

[SendEm]

So again I go back to what I said earlier. Do what you can do trade Igoudala for a reliable scorer whether it be a PF or a real SG. After that, if someone very good becomes available to fill the position that isn't filled via trade then sign him. If not, don't commit to anyone long term, try to improve the team in the short term with guys that will allow you flexibility over the next few years, and wait for the right guys to become available.

Profound.

Committing to Iguodala will trap us in mediocrity or even below that level, let's not forget how this past season begun. He will ruin our flexibility and sooner rather than later would place us in a position where we are trying to figure out how to get out from under his cap number once it is confirmed to everyone that he is just a simple 15ppg SF scorer on a good team that might be making $14 million a few seasons from now. He's just not skilled enough for Joe Johnson money or even Kevin Martin money. Ed Stephanski will be telling me everything I need to know about his GM ability during this offseason with how he handles Iguodala.

[IggyTheBEaST]

I agree that Iggy is not as good as Joe Johnson but what would YOU consider a fair salary for him? The reality is each offseason sets its own market value.

[SendEm]

I agree that Iggy is not as good as Joe Johnson but what would YOU consider a fair salary for him? The reality is each offseason sets its own market value.

That's all very true. Very very true. Before Iggy came up small and scared against Lebron He had a value to me on this team. Now I just want him gone. Any money paid to him is too much because he is not a fighter, he gets scared and shrivels.

[IggyTheBEaST]

People act like covering Lebron and scoring on Tayshaun Prince is easy. I didnt expect Igoudala to be able to do either with much success. I dont know why some of you are so surprised. Iggy is a 2nd tier star, we knew that already. But that doesnt me we should let him walk.

[Philly_King]

I agree that Iggy is not as good as Joe Johnson but what would YOU consider a fair salary for him? The reality is each offseason sets its own market value.

Rashard Lewis' 120 million deal couldn't have done much good for the market value now could it?

[IggyTheBEaST]

certainly not

[Dedicated_76ers_fan]

Otis Smith is a dumbass.

[eyeatoma]

Just out of curiosity, I'm wondering why this topic hasn't been stickied, and why the Pistons Sixers thread still is... Mods?

[PhilasFinest]

how long is Cal Booth under contract for???
He is just useless.We need to get a young 2nd tier center to develop and who can spell Sammy...i think Jason Smith is more suited for the 4 position.

Does anyone think we will go after a young FA center like Patrick O'bryant if we have room left after our possible "big" signing??

[tk76]

Cal has a player option for the league min- I have read he is expected to return.

Young underwhelming centers like O'Bryant and Diop will likely be grossly overpaid by someone who thinks they have starters potential. I would love to sign either for a couple of mil a year, but I bet Diaw makes 5M and O'Bryant 3.5M.

Thats why I was hoping the Sixers ended up with a project like Thabeet (but not at #16) since he would have been cheaper. They definitely need a big body on the bench. They won't be able to always win by going small for 48 min.

[wow444]

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Amen.

We talked about this before, during and now after this series.

On Draft Night, one of the main reasons I was happy BK picked Thad was because we'd finally have someone to matchup with Prince.

But for the last week and a half, we didn't take advantage.

And if Thad is at 3 and AI at 2, and DET keeps Prince on AI, either Thad or Evans has a field day with Hamilton.

Is that logic faulty?

It is somewhat faulty, as it is not a given that Thad would have a field day with Hamilton guarding him. I don't think his game is developed enough to be able to abuse Hamilton and Detroit would have given him some help. Now it may have given the Sixers a somewhat better chance to win, but in no way would it be a slam dunk.