Kobe or Chris Paul for MVP

wadero · Post #1 » by **wadero** » Tue May 6, 2008 12:55 pm

Who should win the MVP? Chris Paul or Kobe explain you reasoning.

Moon Walk · Post #2 » by **Moon Walk** » Tue May 6, 2008 12:56 pm

sorry... it has to be Chris Bosh

walchy · Post #3 » by **walchy** » Tue May 6, 2008 1:09 pm

you win the most valuble poster, for making this thread for the 9875394 time this week

Dr Octagon · Post #4 » by **Dr Octagon** » Tue May 6, 2008 1:10 pm

prophet_of_rage · Post #5 » by **prophet_of_rage** » Tue May 6, 2008 1:44 pm

Chris Paul. Without Chris Paul New Orleans is just an average collection of talent. He has a hand in most of the offence. With his control of the offence he's made players such as Tyson Chandler and Mo Pete viable competitors.

He's carried New Orleans to the number 2 seed with terrific stats at 21-22 years of age at the most difficult position in the game.

Kobe didn't want to be in LA because he said there wasn't enough talent. Compare Bynum to Chandler, Odom to Stojakevic, Fisher to Peterson and the Lakers had better talent. David West is better than most players on the Lakers. When Kobe deigned to start passing to them all of a sudden he was winning. But it was only when Pau Gasol who is better than anybody on New Orleans except Paul came on board.

And the Kobe crew argues this rhetoric that he should win because he's never won one before. Well, why should he have won one before. He never got his team home court advantage. For all his shooting exploits he never broke any records. 81 points is still not the scoring record. He never led his team deep in the playoffs or to the top seed in his conference and he grumbled about them all the way.

This year he is deserving, but I think Paul is more so. Although it doesn't matter because Kobe got the vote and I'm not mad about it, but I do think Paul had the more deserving year. Either way it was between the two of them.

NetsForce · Post #6 » by **NetsForce** » Tue May 6, 2008 1:55 pm

I'm not sure how there's still a debate over this... This is Kobe plain and easy.

If CP3 was playing the Jazz right now he'd have the Hornets down 0-2 only 1 game into the series.

hsgm · Post #7 » by **hsgm** » Tue May 6, 2008 2:08 pm

Anyone but kobe please :pray:

Post #8 » by **Doctor MJ** » Tue May 6, 2008 2:18 pm

Kobe. People keep bringing up Gasol but fail to mention that the Lakers were challenging for the #1 seed before they got Gasol, and I don't know how you can argue that the Gasol-less supporting cast is clearly stronger than the NO cast which honestly gets quite underrated. I wouldn't have had a problem with Paul winning the award, but Kobe gets my vote.

Post #9 » by **tkb** » Tue May 6, 2008 2:23 pm

Mr. Bryant.

Paul had a terrific season, but Kobe had a better one.

Ming Kong! · Post #10 » by **Ming Kong!** » Tue May 6, 2008 2:24 pm

I'll give it to Kobe. They had quite a turnaround from last season to this one, and it's not just thanks to Gasol.

Post #11 » by **semi-sentient** » Tue May 6, 2008 2:26 pm

Pau Gasol.

Ming Kong! · Post #12 » by **Ming Kong!** » Tue May 6, 2008 2:26 pm

NetsForce wrote:I'm not sure how there's still a debate over this... This is Kobe plain and easy.

If CP3 was playing the Jazz right now he'd have the Hornets down 0-2 only 1 game into the series.

Well that's a matter of matchups. Now you're under estimating the Spurs. Being up 2-0 vs the Spurs, whether with or without homecourt is no laughing matter, plus they have BLOWN OUT the Spurs 4 times this season on their home court.

NetsForce · Post #13 » by **NetsForce** » Tue May 6, 2008 2:38 pm

That's a matter of matchups though... :lol:

The Hornets have owned the Spurs while the Jazz have owned the Hornets...

What this has to do with anything I'm not really sure.

I was going to edit my last post actually but thought it looked better the way it was...

Post #14 » by **damo[23]** » Tue May 6, 2008 2:41 pm

I think the fact its Kobe almost holds it against him.

We do expect absolute top notch play from Kobe, so when he has a MVP type season we arent surprised, and he's been left out before, it wouldnt be new.

Chris Paul to get it would be a great story, especially with Nash getting it 2 of the past 3 years [think Paul ushers in new era etc..]

I really think Kobe should get it, he's had a great season, and this is probably one of his last shots to get it [because talent like Paul are going to be there each and every year from now on]

GreenWithEnvy · Post #15 » by **GreenWithEnvy** » Tue May 6, 2008 2:46 pm

damo[23] wrote:I think the fact its Kobe almost holds it against him.

We do expect absolute top notch play from Kobe, so when he has a MVP type season we arent surprised, and he's been left out before, it wouldnt be new.

Chris Paul to get it would be a great story, especially with Nash getting it 2 of the past 3 years [think Paul ushers in new era etc..]

I really think Kobe should get it, he's had a great season, and this is probably one of his last shots to get it [because talent like Paul are going to be there each and every year from now on]

now this is what im talking about right here. people who think kobe should get it because he hasn't got it before OR Paul has more years than Kobe so Kobe should gget it first. This is not what the award is about so we should just can it. if the most prestigious individual award in the NBA has amounted to this than we need to change it or scrap it.

austinjw · Post #16 » by **austinjw** » Tue May 6, 2008 2:46 pm

Kobe bryant definitely. I mean Paul and Kobe both had great seasons, but fortunately that last game between the Lakers and hornets, and the fact that the lakers finished number one rightfully tipped the scale in Kobe's favor.

For people who say Gasol is teh MVP, stop hating on Kobe. He had bynum, they were number one, then he had no big and they still challenged for number one, then he got Gasol and was still number one. Clearly the constant there was Kobe bryant. Despite who he had around him, the Lakers were still a top team in the west.

a-rod · Post #17 » by **a-rod** » Tue May 6, 2008 2:48 pm

Doctor MJ wrote:Kobe. People keep bringing up Gasol but fail to mention that the Lakers were challenging for the #1 seed before they got Gasol, and I don't know how you can argue that the Gasol-less supporting cast is clearly stronger than the NO cast which honestly gets quite underrated. I wouldn't have had a problem with Paul winning the award, but Kobe gets my vote.

I really could not have said it any better. I agree Doctor MJ.

semi-sentient wrote:Pau Gasol.

I know you were joking , but I have to say, Gasol was 0-12 in three previous post-seasons, Now hes 5-0. :wink:

Sting3r · Post #18 » by **Sting3r** » Tue May 6, 2008 2:51 pm

GreenWithEnvy wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

now this is what im talking about right here. people who think kobe should get it because he hasn't got it before OR Paul has more years than Kobe so Kobe should gget it first. This is not what the award is about so we should just can it. if the most prestigious individual award in the NBA has amounted to this than we need to change it or scrap it.

wtf are you talking about? you act like Chris Paul is 100x more deserving of it. Fact is they both deserved it. It could of gone both ways. Its not like Cp3 deserved it anymore than Kobe. If you wanna talk about travesty and scrapping the MVP, it should of been done after dirk won it or Nash won it twice in a row.

Post #19 » by **tkb** » Tue May 6, 2008 2:53 pm

GreenWithEnvy wrote:now this is what im talking about right here. people who think kobe should get it because he hasn't got it before OR Paul has more years than Kobe so Kobe should gget it first. This is not what the award is about so we should just can it. if the most prestigious individual award in the NBA has amounted to this than we need to change it or scrap it.

I think Kobe should win it because he's had a better season. Good enough?

TruSkool · Post #20 » by **TruSkool** » Tue May 6, 2008 3:05 pm

kwame brown...i knew the guy had talent

ok kobe- he led a half seasoned gasol team, and a 47 game andrew bynum absence to the 1st seed in the western conf. on top of that, he's never won it before. and i forgot to mention that he led the lakers in cleaning, sweeping, and mopping the nuggets.