Outlaw vs Brewer and Webster vs McCants

[blazersmaniac8]

Who you got? This isn't trying to show up the t-wolves I just thought these were actually interesting comparisons, so who would you take for each? As of right now I would take outlaw/webster although I can see brewer maybe being an overall better player I think outlaw is quite a bit ahead right now so would take the safe bet. As for McCants looking at his stats he is more solid than I thought and always like his game for the most part but prefer webster because 2 years younger and is 6'7 (solid hight for sg or sf,where I want him to play) unlike McCants who is 6'4 but understand if one would go with rashad.

[schaffy]

Right now, Outlaw and McCants. But can't wait to see what happens in the Northwest in 3 or 4 years.

[That Nicka]

Right now, I'd say Outlaw>Brewer, McCants>Webster

[Pats19andO]

Outlaw and Webster

[farzi]

Atm Outlaw easily over Brewer

Atm Mccants and Webster are about even. McCants being the better scorer and Webster the better defender.

[Red Robot]

It's tough because they're all at different stages in their development.

Outlaw is way ahead of Brewer right now. He'll probably always be the better shooter and a better team defender. I'm not sure he'll ever "get it", start passing, improve his shot selection, and become the sort of player who can play with the starters. He also needs to play at small forward, instead of matching up against 4s, which ruined the Blazers' rebounding.

Brewer has the potential to be the better man defender, rebounder, and inside player. I don't know if he has a good enough shot to really be effective in the NBA. Even if he develops all his other abilities, he may never become a good offensive player. His scoring stats this year were pretty terrible.

McCants is probably the best of the four right now. He's a better ballhandler and passer than Webster. He can penetrate a little or create his own shot, while Webster's scoring is mostly limited to catch and shoot or transition baskets.

Webster's big advantage over McCants is his size. He's probably a little better defender. He's quite a bit behind on his guard skills and may never reach McCants' level.

[Wizenheimer]

It's tough because they're all at different stages in their development.

Outlaw is way ahead of Brewer right now. He'll probably always be the better shooter and a better team defender. I'm not sure he'll ever "get it", start passing, improve his shot selection, and become the sort of player who can play with the starters. He also needs to play at small forward, instead of matching up against 4s, which ruined the Blazers' rebounding.

Brewer has the potential to be the better man defender, rebounder, and inside player. I don't know if he has a good enough shot to really be effective in the NBA. Even if he develops all his other abilities, he may never become a good offensive player. His scoring stats this year were pretty terrible.

brewer will probably be a good defender, but I didn't see a lot of evidence he'll develop and inside game or be a better rebounder then outlaw. Outlaw has an experience edge but he's only 23 while brewer is 22, so there won't be much 'catching up' due to maturation.

McCants is probably the best of the four right now. He's a better ballhandler and passer than Webster. He can penetrate a little or create his own shot, while Webster's scoring is mostly limited to catch and shoot or transition baskets.

Webster's big advantage over McCants is his size. He's probably a little better defender. He's quite a bit behind on his guard skills and may never reach McCants' level.

McCants is a pretty good player on the offensive end. He has a really good shooting touch and that's reflected in his shooting percentages.

I'm not as impressed with his guard skills as you are. Usually, a guy with good guard skills won't have more turnovers then assists...which is the case with McCants. Besides that, he IS the only guard amongst the four so you'd expect better handles.

[BrooklynBulls]

I'd take Outlaw and McCants, for now and the future. I really haven't been impressed with Corey Brewer, and Martell Webster still doesn't appeal to me.

[BBen]

Martell Webster will go down as one of those few straight from highschool duds along with Telfair. Coincidentally both were drafted by the Blazers before they should have been.

Edit: Brewer and Webster are the same age and Webster has superior numbers. I just think that no matter your situation after the third year in the NBA with significant minutes it's hard to justify the idea that there's going to be a lot of improvement. Webster as a sg/sf (scoring positions) averaged 28 minutes with 10 points on 42% shooting, 1 assist and 1 to with 4 rebounds. Ew, that's not the kind of production I want from a starter. Brewer, however, has 2 more years before I make a judgment.

[sabi]

People who actually have seen Webster play and don't just rely on stats would see things differently. On offense he's sometimes underutilized and sometimes it's mental. On defense he has the tools to be a great defender. He's also probably the most athletic player of this bunch.

[BBen]

Don't treat me like an idiot because I don't like someone on your team. Obviously I've seen him play and he's a hometown kid from my area so I want him to do well. He's just not that great of an NBA player at this point. Take it or leave it I don't think you can argue much to the contrary.

By the way, what's with everyone blaming stuff on coaches and saying players are being used wrong nowadays? If he was good enough to score twenty I think he'd be scoring twenty.

[Wizenheimer]

Martell Webster will go down as one of those few straight from highschool duds along with Telfair. Coincidentally both were drafted by the Blazers before they should have been.

Edit: Brewer and Webster are the same age and Webster has superior numbers. I just think that no matter your situation after the third year in the NBA with significant minutes it's hard to justify the idea that there's going to be a lot of improvement. Webster as a sg/sf (scoring positions) averaged 28 minutes with 10 points on 42% shooting, 1 assist and 1 to with 4 rebounds. Ew, that's not the kind of production I want from a starter. Brewer, however, has 2 more years before I make a judgment.

that may or not be correct

However, I'd offer 2 other straight from high school examples: Travis Outlaw made a significant jump in production towards the end of his 4th season and in his 5th season.

Tyson Chandler really ratcheted-up his production in his 4th season and has added to that since then.

Another example, albeit for a player on an entirely different level is Dwight Howard. There wasn't a significant increase in his production from his 2nd to 3rd seasons. His rebounding actually dropped. However, his production increased dramatically in his 4th season compared to his 3rd.

Different players will reach physical maturation at different speeds. It's entirely possible that Brewer is close to his physical ceiling while webster is not.

[BBen]

Travis Outlaw never averaged more than 16 minutes for his first three seasons and considerably less in his first two. His sample size was negligible whereas Webster has had significant exposure. Chandler was good as soon as he entered the league and so was Dwight Howard but everyone knows that bigs take longer to develop than wings and so their production has increased.

Have any better examples? How about Telfair? His situation was a lot more similar to Webster's than any of the players you listed.

[Red Robot]

Have any better examples?

Tukoglu, Harrington, Billups, Nash, Vujacic, Posey, Korver, Maggette, Jones, Perkins, Harpring...

[sabi]

Don't treat me like an idiot because I don't like someone on your team. Obviously I've seen him play and he's a hometown kid from my area so I want him to do well. He's just not that great of an NBA player at this point. Take it or leave it I don't think you can argue much to the contrary.

By the way, what's with everyone blaming stuff on coaches and saying players are being used wrong nowadays? If he was good enough to score twenty I think he'd be scoring twenty.

I say he's underutilized because they don't set enough screens for him and usually have him standing in the corners. When they actually start setting screens for them, this is what might actually happen: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMVXnJDBtnI
This all happened in one quarter.

[Goldbum]

I hate to sound like a Homer... Matell/Outlaw

[BBen]

Tukoglu, Harrington, Billups, Nash, Vujacic, Posey, Korver, Maggette, Jones, Perkins, Harpring...

OK, besides the fact that we were talking about highschool draftees and the low rate of busts I'll dignify your response with an answer. Based on that completely eclectic and non-connected list of players I'd struggle to find a common thread. However, if you're saying they're all late bloomers then ok. In that case anyone can be a late bloomer. How about Stromile Swift? See any progress in his near future?

Of course there's anomalies and exceptions to every rule (not to say that my suggestion that you can assess a player after three years was a rule) yet most of the players on your list I still wouldn't salivate to have on my team. Exceptions being Billups and Nash (have no idea which of the million Jones you're referring to).

But tell me why you see Martell Webster becoming successful? Sure you can show me a youtube clip of him tearing it up but I can show you one of undrafted Damien Wilkens scoring 40+ in a night.

[sabi]

Martell has a good chance of becoming successful because he has the potential to develop into the starting SF we need for the Blazers. As I've said before he has the tools to become a great man to man defender, one that we can put on the best opposing scorer in the backcourt, and the ability to hit open jumpers and three pointers. That's really all we need our SF to do and Webster has a good chance to fill that role perfectly. He doesn't have to be a star to be successful.

[Goldbum]

Martell has a good chance of becoming successful because he has the potential to develop into the starting SF we need for the Blazers. As I've said before he has the tools to become a great man to man defender, one that we can put on the best opposing scorer in the backcourt, and the ability to hit open jumpers and three pointers. That's really all we need our SF to do and Webster has a good chance to fill that role perfectly. He doesn't have to be a star to be successful.

I have the utmost confidence in Martell. I have watched nearly every game he has played in the NBA and I feel confident saying he will make the All Star team 3+ times in nis career.

[BBen]

But tell me why?