Possible rule changes (related to Orl/Det fiasco)

[BallAboveAll]

That was a bad call flat out. I thought they should have just started the entire play over.

[Manocad]

That was a bad call flat out. I thought they should have just started the entire play over.

They couldn't; the rule as it stands today doesn't give the officials that option. They did exactly what they were supposed to do; estimate.

This is just like a first base umpire calling a guy safe when the replay shows he was really out. Because the rules state that there is no replay or reversal of the call, whatever call the umpire makes is THE RIGHT CALL.

Until this rule is changed, since the refs handled the situation exactly as they should have, THEY MADE THE RIGHT CALL. If the shot clock had jumped for some reason and gone off two seconds early, then the refs checked the replay and ruled that the player did not get the shot off in time, and a video timer confirmed that the player actually DID get the shot off in time, the refs STILL MADE THE RIGHT CALL.

You can't be "wrong" when the rule for the situation dictates that the call you make is the only call that stands.

I don't disagree that the rule can't be improved. But until it is you can't expect humans to be perfect in their judgements.

[noypi_magicz]

[quote="Manocad"][/quote]

i dont know wat right call you are talking about there. whenever the clock stops on a play the play should be stopped right there. they have always been doing this. and this should be the right call.

[Cammo101]

I agree the Refs did not make a mistake in how they handled the situation. They did what they were supposed to do.

But the refs did make a mistake in incorrectly "estimating" the time that elapsed. But in no way should anyone be expected to be able to decide whether a play that took 5.7 seconds took 5.1 or less seconds. That's not humanly possible... and no one should have that expectation.

It's not like they make a contraption meant to tell time to the 10th of a second. In the future they will be called stopwatches and they will solve all our problems, but that concept is too foreign and won't become plausible for another hundred years or so.

If only such an invention was in every NBA arena each game. Oh, wait, they are. Yet, Javie was still counting on his fingers. There is no possible explanation that tells me that NBA officials are not allowed to use a stop watch to figure that out.

Next we should work on some sort of visual replay system to see if players push referees or not so we can suspend accordingly. Then the NBA can be as neutral as possible in enforcing their rules. Darn lack of technology just keeps helping the big money team. Darn.

[UCFJayBird]

dude Manocad you're being too stubborn to admit you're wrong about the NBA saying it was the wrong call. So they don't use the phrase "wrong call". That doesn't mean they're not admitting the call was wrong. They said, in their statement, that the shot would not have left his hand until 5.7 seconds, .6 further than the 5.1 they had. That is admitting the wrong call was made.

Now let's be clear, devin, nor I, are saying the refs did anything wrong. They did their job the way they are supposed to. The rules prohibited them from reviewing it. But it was the WRONG call. As in, the right call would've been to not count it since it didn't get off in time.

I don't understand why you can't grasp that concept. You're defending the refs because they followed the rules, understandable. But you're ignoring the fact that it was the wrong call. Not saying the refs did a bad job, but they did make the wrong call.

Now, i'd like to point something out. Watching the TNT replays, you can see that the ball doesn't go through the net till after 7 seconds, maybe even 7.5 seconds. What does this say? Well the refs gave the Magic .5 seconds back on the clock. So they felt the clock would've stopped at .5, when the ball went through the hoop (remember, if there's still time, the play doesn't end until after the ball goes through the hoop). So if the play took 7.5 seconds from the inbounds to the ball passing through the hoop, and they still gave the Magic .5 seconds, then the officials though that the play only lasted 4.6 seconds, when it actually lasted 7.5, nearly 3 seconds longer. How they were off by 3 seconds, is unbelievable (but understandable).

[Devin 1L]

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No they don't. Nowhere in the statement does it read that the refs were "wrong" because they didn't estimate accurately down to the tenth of a second. In fact, it seems to me that the statement was very clear in not implying that the refs made a mistake in any way.

At this point of ridiculousness, I have to assume that you're simply arguing for the sake of arguing, but we'll give this one last shot:

The referees followed proper procedure in addressing the clock malfunction by estimating the elapsed time and using their judgment as to whether the shot was taken in time.

After reviewing the video of last night