Bulls/Kings

[egplaya2004]

Thomas is almost the perfect PF to start next to Hawes. They're games counter each other's very well.

A lineup of Hinrich/Martin/Artest/Thomas/Hawes is one that can develop and compete right now as well.

[Smills91]

Thomas is almost the perfect PF to start next to Hawes. They're games counter each other's very well.

A lineup of Hinrich/Martin/Artest/Thomas/Hawes is one that can develop and compete right now as well.

1) Where have you been?

2) I strongly disagree, if thomas had an ounce of basketball skills in his repoirtoire, I'd agree, but he doesn't. He's really a dimunitive Stromile Swift clone, we need somebody GOOD at the 4.

[ICMTM]

IMO we need someone who can finish around the rim at will to compliment Hawes.

[jfucsd10]

You would realistically have to remove the lotto pick in this deal. Thats just too much. I would pull the deal if it was Heinrich and Thomas for Miller and Garcia, maybe an additional second rounder. But no lotto. This would allow us to get a darrell arthur with out loto to start next to spencer and have thomas come in off the bunch as a hustle guy. But clearly, the original framework of this deal doesnt work

[SadKingsFan]

Thomas is almost the perfect PF to start next to Hawes. They're games counter each other's very well.

A lineup of Hinrich/Martin/Artest/Thomas/Hawes is one that can develop and compete right now as well.

Compete for what? No way...

[Smills91]

Thomas just does NOTHING for me, he's garbage IMO. I'd MUCH rather have Garcia than Thomas.

[RyGuy24]

Thomas just does NOTHING for me, he's garbage IMO. I'd MUCH rather have Garcia than Thomas.

Oh what an idiotic coaching staff can do to a players percieved value. When Thomas plays minutes, he produces greatly. We can't help that Jim Boylan had a fetish for Drew Gooden and Andres Nocioni (not to mention Larry Hughes and Chris Duhon).

He's extremely fast for a PF with a reach of his, he has great ballhandling skills and can usually get by his opponent at will (along with a nice spin move), has superb defensive and shotblocking instincts, a very good rebound rate, a very good passer, and his jumpshot has improved leaps and bounds in only one year due to shooting a boatload of shots in the offseason. I honestly can't stress enough how many times he was playing greatly, made one mistake, and was yanked for the rest of the game as a result. You underestimate the boneheadedness of a creature also known as "Boylan".

[Smills91]

Thomas is Stromile Swift reincarnated minus a couple-three inches.

[pillwenney]

IMO we need someone who can finish around the rim at will to compliment Hawes.

Well then Tyrus would be your guy.


I totally disagree with Smills. Tyrus has shown some great improvement and plays with passion (two things that never, ever described Swift). He's a lot more skilled now than Swift ever was, and is probably smarter as a player now than Swift ever was (not that he's an especially smart player, but Stro is known for being one of the dumbest players ever).

[ICMTM]

Well then Tyrus would be your guy.


I totally disagree with Smills. Tyrus has shown some great improvement and plays with passion (two things that never, ever described Swift). He's a lot more skilled now than Swift ever was, and is probably smarter as a player now than Swift ever was (not that he's an especially smart player, but Stro is known for being one of the dumbest players ever).

Maybe, but I want more. Tyrus IMO won't become a skilled big.

[SacKingZZZ]

I like Tyrus but I will agree that he is very much like a Stromile Swift as to the kind of role he will most likely fill in the NBA.

[BMiller52]

He already has more ball handling and shooting skills and stuff like than than Stro has ever had. Give Tyrus a big man coach and he'd be a pretty good player IMO.

[_SRV_]

Tyrus Thomas and shooting shouldn't be combined in one sentence w/o negative connotation Bmiller Tyrus fits next to Hawes in a way (effective off the ball, athletic ...), but we'd still have severely undersized frontcourt.

[pillwenney]

Tyrus Thomas and shooting shouldn't be combined in one sentence w/o negative connotation Bmiller Tyrus fits next to Hawes in a way (effective off the ball, athletic ...), but we'd still have severely undersized frontcourt.

Not really all that undersized. I mean it would really just be Tyrus that is, since Spencer will be fine at center when he beefs up a little. And Tyrus will always be undersized, but not that badly. He's 6' 8" but has absurd arm length, and probably good enough athleticism to make up for it in many respects.

I don't know, personally, I have just seen the guy change games quite often when I've watched him.

My main concern would be rebounding. Tyrus' RP40 is pretty good, but it's like a different kind of rebounding. Like when Shaq got to Phoenix, their rebounding improved considerably even though I don't believe he averaged many more boards than Marion--I see Thomas as more of a Marion-type rebounder, in that it's less about boxing out (which often helps teammates get boards, and is part of why Shaq helped out Phoenix IMO), and more about skying for the board.

Still, there are a ton of really intriguing things about Tyrus.

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Undersized = physically inferior to their counterparts.
Hawes is very skinny for center, with a possibility of beefing up, I don't see him a power guy ever, though.
Tyrus is skinny with small frame, he'll be a nightmare defending big PFs.

I don't see how you can say " Not really all that undersized."

An if you did indeed watch Tyrus, him Vs Rasheed Wallace in ECSF is a good example of why he's undersized.

[Smills91]

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Maybe, but I want more. Tyrus IMO won't become a skilled big.

+1

Thomas' POTENTIAL ceiling is McDyess(POST INJURY).

[Smills91]

I swear, because we haven't had much athleticism in the front court everyone pops a wood over a guy like THomas. He's GARBAGE. I'd like Hakim Warrick better than Thomas or even Travis Outlay in that skinny tweener forward type that's incredibly athletic. At least those guys can shoot it a little.

[AirP.]

Undersized = physically inferior to their counterparts.
Hawes is very skinny for center, with a possibility of beefing up, I don't see him a power guy ever, though.
Tyrus is skinny with small frame, he'll be a nightmare defending big PFs.

I don't see how you can say " Not really all that undersized."

An if you did indeed watch Tyrus, him Vs Rasheed Wallace in ECSF is a good example of why he's undersized.

That's a good point, a 20 year old rookie project against one of the better PFs in the game. I'll make a note that he didn't do that well against him.

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That's a good point, a 20 year old rookie project against one of the better PFs in the game. I'll make a note that he didn't do that well against him.

I'm talking about a specific context and the way he got beaten not the fact that he got beaten.

[RyGuy24]

I swear, because we haven't had much athleticism in the front court everyone pops a wood over a guy like THomas. He's GARBAGE. I'd like Hakim Warrick better than Thomas or even Travis Outlay in that skinny tweener forward type that's incredibly athletic. At least those guys can shoot it a little.

Tyrus has played 20 minutes or more in only 30 out of the 82 games. Veteran players like Andres Nocioni, Drew Gooden, and Joe Smith all played over him because he, along with 5 other Bulls, told Boylan that they had problems with his ways and couldn't see the light of day after. Wallace had to be dealt to clear time for Noah by the GM because Noah was barely playing after he mouthed off to Boylan as well.

Here are some of the lines that Tyrus had when he played over 20 minutes:

Points/Rebounds/Assists/Steals/Blocks

21/12/2/3 on 10/16 shooting in 43 minutes

6/3/5/2/3 in 20 minutes

19/14/2/2 matched up against the aforementioned Rasheed Wallace

8/12/2/1 in 20 minutes

8/9/4/2/1 in 20 minutes

10/6/4/2/3 in 21 minutes

14/6/2/2/3 in 27 minutes

14/9/2/1/3 in 23 minutes against the Kings

10/11/0/2/2

15/5/2/1/2 in 25 minutes

10/12/1/1/4

10/6/5/1/3 in 24 minutes

18/11/4/2/3 in 33 minutes

18/6/5/1/2 in 26 minutes

6/10/2/0/2 in 20 minutes

12/7/1/1/1 in 24 minutes

24/7/0/1/0

4/8/3/1/1

10/6/2/2/5

20/14/3/0/3

12/8/3/0/2

26/4/1/2/0

That's not too shabby considering he plays great defense and is a project in his second season.