A heartfelt thankyou to ASG

td00 · Post #1 » by **td00** » Wed May 7, 2008 3:00 pm

For accepting BK's resignation. It is good news continued for the Hawks.

Now, can we get someone in here that is interested in putting together a basketball team that is strong in all 5 positions?

I hope we have someone that someone else would take that would make us a better 'TEAM'.

Officially available: everyone not named Joe Johnson and Al Horford.
Available in limited conditions: Josh Smith.

conleyorbust · Post #2 » by **conleyorbust** » Wed May 7, 2008 3:02 pm

td00 wrote:For accepting BK's resignation. It is good news continued for the Hawks.

Now, can we get someone in here that is interested in putting together a basketball team that is strong in all 5 positions?

I hope we have someone that someone else would take that would make us a better 'TEAM'.

Officially available: everyone not named Joe Johnson and Al Horford.
Available in limited conditions: Josh Smith.

This is something I don't get. Why would we put Horford and Johnson completely off limits?

Due to Smith's contract situation, his value probably isn't as high as those two, if a team comes at us with a huge offer for one of them, why not take it?

parson · Post #3 » by **parson** » Wed May 7, 2008 3:22 pm

conleyorbust wrote:This is something I don't get. Why would we put Horford and Johnson completely off limits?

Due to Smith's contract situation, his value probably isn't as high as those two, if a team comes at us with a huge offer for one of them, why not take it?

Because, if you were to trade JJ or AH, what would you receive?

Are we going to get Dwight Howard or Greg Oden for Horford? What else makes any sense?

Are we going to receive Kobe Bryant for JJ? By "huge offer" do you mean a bunch of lesser talents? Could those lesser talents do to BOS what JJ did in his big 4th qtr?

conleyorbust · Post #4 » by **conleyorbust** » Wed May 7, 2008 3:33 pm

parson wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Because, if you were to trade JJ or AH, what would you receive?

Are we going to get Dwight Howard or Greg Oden for Horford? What else makes any sense?

Are we going to receive Kobe Bryant for JJ? By "huge offer" do you mean a bunch of lesser talents? Could those lesser talents do to BOS what JJ did in his big 4th qtr?

Same question for Smith. You only trade the guy if you are going to get better as a result. Smith is BY FAR our most effective defender and, unless Marv decides that he wants to be a basketball player, our second leading scorer.

We have no reason to trade JJ or Horford but we have no reason to trade Smith either. However if someone were to offer a trade for any of them, I'd take it...

... and to answer your question, I'd probably trade any two players on our team for Howard or Oden if it was offered. Or at least think about it.

td00 · Post #5 » by **td00** » Wed May 7, 2008 3:39 pm

conleyorbust wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

This is something I don't get. Why would we put Horford and Johnson completely off limits?

Due to Smith's contract situation, his value probably isn't as high as those two, if a team comes at us with a huge offer for one of them, why not take it?

Because IMO, we aren't looking to start over. What I see out of JJ is a solid SG, and all-star, and Horford, a future All-Star in the making.
I don't think you are going to fill needs elsewhere by moving either one of these guys. They should be the foundation to this franchise.

Now Smoove is someone I consider very close to this level, but we need to get equal value in return, and with him being very young and still having a high ceiling, I would have to be assured that including him in a trade would improve us. I don't think his contract will be that big of a concern.

I am also saying that we improve this team simply by considering Chills, Marvin, and Bibby in trades. To me, Law has a Billups type look to him and he can help us going forward.

We have starting positions that need more veteran experience for the road games and we need depth on the bench.

I don't think Smoove or Marvin would relish the fact they are coming off the bench to help this team. They will have to start to be satisfied.

Post #6 » by **Jamaaliver** » Wed May 7, 2008 3:41 pm

I'm with td00,

AL and JJ have proven worthy of being the building blocks of this franchise. J-Smoove is a great talent, but he might be better off elsewhere and we might be better off trading him now while his stock is at an all time high.

conleyorbust · Post #7 » by **conleyorbust** » Wed May 7, 2008 4:02 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:I'm with td00,

AL and JJ have proven worthy of being the building blocks of this franchise. J-Smoove is a great talent, but he might be better off elsewhere and we might be better off trading him now while his stock is at an all time high.

What has Horford done to prove he is a franchise caliber player that Smith hasn't done?

Just curious.

I don't think any of the three of them are superstars and I doubt any of them will ever BE superstars, certainly not on the Lebron/Dwight/(hate to say it) CP3 level but probably not on the TMac/Webber in their prime level either. To me that means they are all equally available in a trade - especially considering that the things that Johnson and Smith do (score and anchor the D respectively) are harder to find than what Horford has proven he can do at an elite level in the NBA (rebound).

trickydik · Post #8 » by **trickydik** » Wed May 7, 2008 4:45 pm

i would only trade smith if we got the right piece/pieces , if the right deal came along that would improve our team in the future.

smith is a SF , playing the PF position , Horford is a PF playing the C position , i don't like horford plays C all next season going up against bigger bodies i rather have him going up against other PF with the same body frame.

the only position i would trade smith for is a Legit starting center.

i know most of you won't agree with me but i say we go after Biedrins

6'11 250 and only 22 years old

it just makes sense to me , it will allow horford to play is Real position as the PF

Biedrins
Horford
Marvin
J.J
Bibby

with of course chill coming off the bench.

now i know smith is a hometown kid and a human highlite real , but his trade value is pretty high right now.

if we could trade smith for biedrins and there 14th pick we could really improve this team's future. it will never happen and it's my personal pipedream , and the only way the trade could go down is if the warriors picked for us.

Hawks need a Big man , not a scrup like zaza , not horford playing out of position , we have solo but he's so raw and all he does is pretty much block shots.

ahh well a man can dream can't he ?

conleyorbust · Post #9 » by **conleyorbust** » Wed May 7, 2008 5:05 pm

Biedrins + 14 can't work I don't think.

To my knowledge you can't SnT until after the draft.

Biedrins would fit in this roster less than Smith. He is even more tied to a fast paced offense and relies on others to create his shot almost exclusively. Horford would still be guarded by the other team's strongest player because Biedrins doesn't often back his man down, he gets a lot of points by moving and catching.

Horford would also have to defend the other team's center because Biedrins is raaaiiillll thin.

He'd be a good pickup if we went to a more fast paced offense. Then again, Smith and Horford would better at a faster pace too.

If Biedrins is the best we can do we should just hang on to Smith.

trickydik · Post #10 » by **trickydik** » Wed May 7, 2008 5:12 pm

beans is 22 , and improving , just like smith

i didn't know 6'11 250 is rail thin , i'm sure with more age he will fill out , just got to hit the gym.

it's just my little pipe dream , i would love to get us a young talented center to be in a hawks jersey for years to come.

They Call Me Cash · Post #11 » by **They Call Me Cash** » Wed May 7, 2008 8:23 pm

Trading Josh Smith would be dumber than any move BK has made in his tenure here.. (besides passing on CP3).

td00 · Post #12 » by **td00** » Wed May 7, 2008 10:17 pm

I like what he brings as a team player. He doesn't demand the ball and won't have to get his shots over others. He is our best player on the interior, while JJ is our best on the perimeter.

You build around these 2 guys first and foremost. I think you can get help by dealing Smoove, but will it be enough to satisfy the Atlanta fans?
You may not get equal value. That is where I hesitate, but if he stays, I would sure see if he can progress at the 3, and get another big man to help Al out.

I truly don't think we lose much with Marvin off the bench and Smoove taking his position. Childress is a better defender than Marvin, just not as big.

We can sign Smoove, experiment with him at the 3, and see if that is viable. I wonder what a new GM would think about his potential along with a veteran coach.

conleyorbust · Post #13 » by **conleyorbust** » Thu May 8, 2008 4:50 pm

td00 wrote:I like what he brings as a team player. He doesn't demand the ball and won't have to get his shots over others. He is our best player on the interior, while JJ is our best on the perimeter.

You build around these 2 guys first and foremost. I think you can get help by dealing Smoove, but will it be enough to satisfy the Atlanta fans?
You may not get equal value. That is where I hesitate, but if he stays, I would sure see if he can progress at the 3, and get another big man to help Al out.

Maybe I just see things differently than you but what is he the best at?

I love Al, I love what he brought and I certainly thought he was the most effective rookie in the league this season. Kevin Durant may have had a better last month but he also had free reign an entire season to get his **** together.

Still though, I saw Al as an OK defender (which is a lot for a rookie), a mediocre offensive player with a still-raw post game and an unused face-up game, and a great rebounder.

He may have the potential to be our best inside player but I wouldn't start moving peices around because I think he is destined to be a 22-13 guy at the PF spot or something.