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Post#21 » by MyInsatiableOne » Tue May 6, 2008 4:44 pm

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Rick Carlisle made an adjustment.

Then Doc shocked the world.


If the great adjustment that Carlisle made was putting Prince on McGrady, what is the counter move Doc is supposed to make? Take McGrady out?

In that situation, its on the player to make the adjustment not the coach. The coach can't just tell you some secret moves that will help you beat a defender.


What do you mean? Don't you know basketball is like NBA 2k8 for PS3? Come on!! 8)

But I agree, at the end of the day players have to make the plays.
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Post#22 » by Tricky Ricky » Tue May 6, 2008 4:55 pm

BadMuthaCeltic wrote:I'm not sure that Doc and Carlisle did the same exact thing. The teams Carlisle lost playoff series to were better than ATL, and even the Orlando team that Doc coached was better than ATL, and Boston is better than any team Carlisle had from a talent standpoint as well.


Exactly people, face it Doc sucks
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Post#23 » by BrokenLeftyJumper » Tue May 6, 2008 5:46 pm

Exactly people, face it Doc sucks


Seriously people, just face it. The OP (who starts threads with titles that make no sense) believes it, you guys should believe it.
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Post#24 » by MyInsatiableOne » Tue May 6, 2008 6:13 pm

BrokenLeftyJumper wrote:
Exactly people, face it Doc sucks


Seriously people, just face it. The OP (who starts threads with titles that make no sense) believes it, you guys should believe it.


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Post#25 » by Tricky Ricky » Tue May 6, 2008 6:20 pm

BrokenLeftyJumper wrote:
Exactly people, face it Doc sucks


Seriously people, just face it. The OP (who starts threads with titles that make no sense) believes it, you guys should believe it.


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Post#26 » by Tricky Ricky » Tue May 6, 2008 6:20 pm

seriously though it took him 7 games to beat the Hawks how isnt this a problem for anyone?
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Post#27 » by MyInsatiableOne » Tue May 6, 2008 6:26 pm

Tricky Ricky wrote:seriously though it took him 7 games to beat the Hawks how isnt this a problem for anyone?


As someone else said, it's totally Doc's fault he didn't teach anyone super secret spin moves to stop JJ.

Cos, y'know, the players don't play, the coach does. So ALL AND EVERY breakdown is 100% the coach's fault and 0% the players.

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Post#28 » by Tricky Ricky » Tue May 6, 2008 7:08 pm

MyInsatiableOne wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



As someone else said, it's totally Doc's fault he didn't teach anyone super secret spin moves to stop JJ.

Cos, y'know, the players don't play, the coach does. So ALL AND EVERY breakdown is 100% the coach's fault and 0% the players.

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:


Is not playing Ray Allen on Joe Johnson that super secret?
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Post#29 » by MyInsatiableOne » Tue May 6, 2008 7:32 pm

^^No, *that* one is on Doc. But people around here blame him for everything, from the C's losing to the cyclones that hit Myanmar the other day. It gets old.
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Post#30 » by spf211 » Tue May 6, 2008 11:07 pm

BrokenLeftyJumper wrote:
Rick Carlisle made an adjustment.

Then Doc shocked the world.


If the great adjustment that Carlisle made was putting Prince on McGrady, what is the counter move Doc is supposed to make? Take McGrady out?

In that situation, its on the player to make the adjustment not the coach. The coach can't just tell you some secret moves that will help you beat a defender.


No, Doc should have looked to alternatives in his offense (just as the Celtics never found an alternative to "dump the ball to Pierce" once New Jersey figured out "triple team Pierce and you beat the Celtics" in 2002 and 2003).

But Doc's stance, as always, is "play the game you've played all year" and make the other team adjust to you. Except, that stops working when the other team adjusts and they start beating you.

That team had scoring options beyond McGrady that were very capable in 2003 -- including Drew Gooden, Gordan Giricek, and Darrel Armstrong -- three players who could score 20+ points a game, especially when all of the defensive attention was elsewhere.

Nearly every year Phil Jackson is taking nobodies off his bench and making them playoff heroes -- be it Tyronne Lue in 2001 or Jannero Pargo in 2004 -- because Jackson knows how to adjust and stay ahead of his opposition.

Granted the Celtics can make the Finals that is going to be one incredibly painful series to watch.
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Post#31 » by JMillott » Wed May 7, 2008 1:53 pm

Last time I checked the Celtics vs Hawks series ended with the Celtics winning the series with a victory margin of 10 PPG. This came with a horribly uneven job by the refs in games 4 and 6 that clearly changed the course of those games.

We managed to win last night even with the Cavs dictating the pace of the game and with us getting almost nothing out of two of our likely Hall of Famers at the offensive end.

Don't get me wrong i'd dump Doc Rivers in a heartbeat to get Phil Jackson or Pops here but outside of these proven championship coaches its not a horrible thing to have a Doc Rivers as coach.

For all the weaknesses in Doc's coaching style he also has some very obvious strengths. His players love to play for him, he develops the roster from top to bottom which gives Danny Ainge more trade assets with actual value.

If he didn't do this we'd have been unable to keep players like Kendrick Perkins, Rajon Rondo and Leon Powe out of the trades we made last summer.

In other words chances are pretty damn good that without Doc Rivers as the coach that we'd have been unable to swing the trades to make this roster even possible.

He was able to get Ricky Davis to play the best basketball of his career which allowed us to get out from under Mark Blount and pick up a 1st round pick that was also needed to do the KG trade.
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Post#32 » by Tricky Ricky » Wed May 7, 2008 3:37 pm

JMillott wrote:Last time I checked the Celtics vs Hawks series ended with the Celtics winning the series with a victory margin of 10 PPG. This came with a horribly uneven job by the refs in games 4 and 6 that clearly changed the course of those games.

We managed to win last night even with the Cavs dictating the pace of the game and with us getting almost nothing out of two of our likely Hall of Famers at the offensive end.

Don't get me wrong i'd dump Doc Rivers in a heartbeat to get Phil Jackson or Pops here but outside of these proven championship coaches its not a horrible thing to have a Doc Rivers as coach.

For all the weaknesses in Doc's coaching style he also has some very obvious strengths. His players love to play for him, he develops the roster from top to bottom which gives Danny Ainge more trade assets with actual value.

If he didn't do this we'd have been unable to keep players like Kendrick Perkins, Rajon Rondo and Leon Powe out of the trades we made last summer.

In other words chances are pretty damn good that without Doc Rivers as the coach that we'd have been unable to swing the trades to make this roster even possible.

He was able to get Ricky Davis to play the best basketball of his career which allowed us to get out from under Mark Blount and pick up a 1st round pick that was also needed to do the KG trade.


Doc Rivers did all of this? I dont really think any of the trades we made were really that lopsided its more Ainge than Rivers and its not because I hate Doc Rivers
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Post#33 » by MyInsatiableOne » Wed May 7, 2008 5:27 pm

This is the classic conundrum all the Doc-haters have, which is why their argument is invalidated 100% the minute they start speaking. So if we win, it's all because of the players. If we lose, it's all Doc's fault. If our D is great, it's cos of Tom Thibs, if our D stinks, it's Doc's fault.

You cannot have it both ways and the fact that *EVERYTHING* from losing a game to your dog getting run over is Doc's fault shows how flimsy the argument is.

Do I think he's the best coach? No. But do I think he's the best coach RIGHT NOW for THIS TEAM? Yes. The players like him. The front office/owners like him. He has the respect of his coaching staff and players. He's been here for 5 seasons and lends stability. Remember, after KC Jones, this team has been SUPER unstable at the HC position. You all seem to want to change coaches every 2-3 years when the latest coach du jour comes along. We'll NEVER win a championship like that.
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