Mac vs. Roy

[etopn23]

McGrady is 28 and has been getting progressively healthier since the injury riddled 05-06 season. McGrady at his best is a superstar, at his worse is a 2nd team all NBA all-star.

Roy(24) so far hasn't shown anything. As for health he's played the same amount of games as McGrady this season.

In the span of 7 playoff games, McGrady eclipsed most of Roy's career highs despite the fact he's going to need knee surgery going into the offseason and he was fighting a debilitating shoulder injury...

It really isn't as close as you guys are trying to make it out to be.

[farzi]

Its not as wide as you guys are try8ing to make it out to be either.

[sabi]

McGrady is 28 and has been getting progressively healthier since the injury riddled 05-06 season. McGrady at his best is a superstar, at his worse is a 2nd team all NBA all-star.

Roy(24) so far hasn't shown anything. As for health he's played the same amount of games as McGrady this season.

In the span of 7 playoff games, McGrady eclipsed most of Roy's career highs despite the fact he's going to need knee surgery going into the offseason and he was fighting a debilitating shoulder injury...

It really isn't as close as you guys are trying to make it out to be.

Mcgrady is much closer to turning 29 (this month) than Roy is of turning 24 (July). Besides your incorrect numbers why do you say he hasn't shown anything so far? During the 13 game streak he averaged 23 ppg, 6 rpg, and 7 apg. He's an all-star in only his second year and took the youngest team this season to a .500 record in the tough West by winning tough series such as the Lakers, which had some Laker fans saying "it doesn't seem like Kobe can guard Roy".
If the comparison isn't as close as we are making it out to be then you would just be talking about the accomplishments of your own player instead of talking down the competition.

[DaVoiceMaster]

McGrady is 28 and has been getting progressively healthier since the injury riddled 05-06 season. McGrady at his best is a superstar, at his worse is a 2nd team all NBA all-star.

Roy(24) so far hasn't shown anything. As for health he's played the same amount of games as McGrady this season.

In the span of 7 playoff games, McGrady eclipsed most of Roy's career highs despite the fact he's going to need knee surgery going into the offseason and he was fighting a debilitating shoulder injury...

It really isn't as close as you guys are trying to make it out to be.

I wasn't going to say anything in this thread because I think it's one of the more stupid threads on this website. Let's just pick 2 names and compare them. One guy has been around for 10 years, the other just 6 years. One is incredibly athletic and a major scorer, the other is more of a team player and distributor. Who in the heck chose these 2 players to compare.

Okay, now the real reason I chose to respond ... the bolded pieces above. Aren't you contradicting yourself?

Honestly, I would recommend one of the mod's close this thread. It serves no purpose whatsoever.

[NBALakerLegends]

Roy has not even played a playoff game and he is already on Mac's Level? T-mac commands double teams every game he plays, teams have a game plan to stop try and stop T-Mac. I doubt Roy would have even got this team into the playoffs let alone HCA like McGrady.

Roy has only been in this league for two years so it will be a waiting game to see how he establishes himself, but for now this is like comparing Soulja boy to Jigga. Maybe not to that extent, because Soulja Boy is a one hit wonder that has no real [lyrical] talent, and Roy certainly does have talent. McGrady would be a HOFer if he retired and thats saying something without ever seeing the second round.

[etopn23]

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I wasn't going to say anything in this thread because I think it's one of the more stupid threads on this website. Let's just pick 2 names and compare them. One guy has been around for 10 years, the other just 6 years. One is incredibly athletic and a major scorer, the other is more of a team player and distributor. Who in the heck chose these 2 players to compare.

Okay, now the real reason I chose to respond ... the bolded pieces above. Aren't you contradicting yourself?

Honestly, I would recommend one of the mod's close this thread. It serves no purpose whatsoever.

He *has* been getting healthier since 05-06 (he played ~45 games due to the back) and hasn't had any relapses since then. He had two freak injuries this year (and played through them because he had to) and he stayed relatively healthy last season.

There's been a marked increase in his athleticism since he returned from injury. He's been playing at a higher level year by year since the injury. This year, the stats aren't indicative of that thanks to the two month slump after the shoulder injury.

[J-Mezzy]

No coach would take Roy over McGrady. This is a ridiculous comparison.
Better defender
better passer
more explosive
better rebounder


McGrady is heavily underrated in these boards

[sabi]

Roy has not even played a playoff game and he is already on Mac's Level? T-mac commands double teams every game he plays, teams have a game plan to stop try and stop T-Mac. I doubt Roy would have even got this team into the playoffs let alone HCA like McGrady.

Roy has only been in this league for two years so it will be a waiting game to see how he establishes himself, but for now this is like comparing Soulja boy to Jigga. Maybe not to that extent, because Soulja Boy is a one hit wonder that has no real [lyrical] talent, and Roy certainly does have talent. McGrady would be a HOFer if he retired and thats saying something without ever seeing the second round.

What is with these player-rapper analogies. I have no f-ing clue who you're talking about.
Also, opposing game plan against the Blazers is always designed to stop Brandon. He gets constant double teams but his game remains effective because that's when he starts dishing out assists.
I'm not entirely sure McGrady is a lock to be a HOF just yet. No question he has HOF talent, but I don't think there's one single HOF who hasn't reached at least the second round. IMO he should make a finals appearance to have a strong argument for HOF.
McGrady is more talented for sure but I don't when some non-blazer fan makes these comparisons for ignorant fans to take shots and talk down the less talented player in the comparison. McGrady's career achievements should speak for themselves without taking shots at Brandon whose had two impressive seasons so far in his young career and deserves much more respect than half this board gives him credit for. It might be because those posters are so enamored with flashy plays that they can't recognize a superior skilled player like Brandon Roy.

[Baller 24]

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What is with these player-rapper analogies. I have no f-ing clue who you're talking about.
Also, opposing game plan against the Blazers is always designed to stop Brandon. He gets constant double teams but his game remains effective because that's when he starts dishing out assists.
I'm not entirely sure McGrady is a lock to be a HOF just yet. No question he has HOF talent, but I don't think there's one single HOF who hasn't reached at least the second round. IMO he should make a finals appearance to have a strong argument for HOF.
McGrady is more talented for sure but I don't when some non-blazer fan makes these comparisons for ignorant fans to take shots and talk down the less talented player in the comparison. McGrady's career achievements should speak for themselves without taking shots at Brandon whose had two impressive seasons so far in his young career and deserves much more respect than half this board gives him credit for. It might be because those posters are so enamored with flashy plays that they can't recognize a superior skilled player like Brandon Roy.

Where just saying, Roy isn't going to be as good as McGrady.

McGrady is a talent that shows up every once or twice every decade. His type of talent is rare, and not only does Roy not compare to him right now, but IMO never will. Statistics don't mean everything, you guys are the same guys that compared Roy to Paul in the beginning of the season, and you guys were saying that Roy>Paul, give me a break.
If your going to seriously ask this question, then please put up a Roy vs. Carter, or Roy vs. Pierce thread please, because McGrady > both of them. If Roy was the better leader, tell me why he didn't take a "more" talented team to the playoffs, and win 50+ games? I don't care how young it was, because if your going to say that, then the Rockets without Yao were very young. Yao went down when we were 8th or 7th seed. When the streak ended, the Rockets sat at the top of the standings, without Yao.

[sabi]

I agree with you on all accounts that; Roy isn't going to be as good as Mcgrady - because Roy won't be among the top scorers in the League and that statistics don't mean everything

But even though the Blazers are more talented than the Rockets that doesn't mean it is more prepared to win now. It's a pretty weak argument to question why the Blazers didn't win as many games as the Rockets with a more talented team when in fact the Blazers overachieved this season mostly because of Roy's progress.

The Roy Paul comparison threads, like many others, wasn't made by a Blazer fan and making it sound like we said that Roy>Paul is making a straw man out of our arguments. In fact I remember saying that I expected Paul to show a lot of improvement in his third year. We were saying that Roy had a fairly similar rookie season to Paul with the assists advantage that Paul had on Roy being greater than the rebound advantage Roy had on Paul.
We also knew that Roy had the ability to continue to improve despite every non-blazer fan on this board saying that he had reached his ceiling. If anyone is underrated athletically in this board it's Roy.

Again we're not the ones making these comparisons and every time one pops up the general reaction is that Roy is getting way overrated or that Blazer fans are delusional. But we don't even talk about this stuff on our own board, we just make fun of how Bargnani turned out.

[Red Robot]

If Roy was the better leader, tell me why he didn't take a "more" talented team to the playoffs, and win 50+ games? I don't care how young it was, because if your going to say that, then the Rockets without Yao were very young. Yao went down when we were 8th or 7th seed. When the streak ended, the Rockets sat at the top of the standings, without Yao.

I'm not even going to address your argument, but just for future reference: the Rockets are one of the oldest teams in the NBA. Losing Yao makes them older, not younger. Not that that's bad per se.

[candy for lunch]

I dunno, I think stats do matter somewhat.

Which of these players is better? (right click -> view image to actually see it)

But we don't even talk about this stuff on our own board, we just make fun of how Bargnani turned out.

Yeah, more or less

[Alex_De_Large]

Yao or Pachulia?

[farzi]

Yao or Pachulia?

Scoreboard.

[The_Believer]

The Roy hype earlier this year was laughable. 19-4-6 on a .500 team is nothing special, especially how some of you were comparing him to prime Penny and TMac, and predicted all sorts of awards for him. I hear of his intangibles, but idk what is it they speak of him that is so special. And TMac with a hurt back >>>> Roy.

[candy for lunch]

Read my last post. Which player has the better stats?

[The_Believer]

I was comparing them at primes/careers. No way Roy matches a prime Mac.

[cucad8]

I was comparing them at primes/careers. No way Roy matches a prime Mac.

And you've been crying since the All Star Break about Roy, so I'm sure this is taking a completely objective approach.

[Red Robot]

I was comparing them at primes/careers. No way Roy matches a prime Mac.

I don't know if anyone disagrees with you. But who has the better prime is a very different question from "who would you rather have", which is how this thread started.



Here's the situation as I see it. McGrady is more talented than Roy. He had some very very good seasons, and Roy would have to show us something completely new to approach that level.

But: McGrady's season was pretty poor compared to his prime. He was off his game to such an extent that Roy put up better stats. Their team accomplishments were apples and oranges. McGrady was a better defender, so he was still probably the better overall player. By a little.

[sabi]

The Roy hype earlier this year was laughable. 19-4-6 on a .500 team is nothing special, especially how some of you were comparing him to prime Penny and TMac, and predicted all sorts of awards for him. I hear of his intangibles, but idk what is it they speak of him that is so special. And TMac with a hurt back >>>> Roy.

You're what they call on this board... A JOKE! Quit posting you idiot.