If Conley's the PG that most think he'll be when he was drafted, it makes little sense to deal him while his value is probably low and he's still cheap.
A better idea is to keep both, let themselves make each other better and deal one in two seasons before they're set to hit on a large contract.
That said, I'd be tempted to throw #7 overall to Memphis for his services.
If Grizz Draft Rose, What Pick does Conley Yield?
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Upperclass wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
Rose's upside is greater than Conleys i think we'd all agree.. not to mention that Conley's drawbacks are the same as Rose's, but DR has him by 3" and a good bit of athleticism, which helps him negate those negatives they share
Oh sure, Rose's upside is greater than Conley's, but if you look at all the teams in the lottery that would salivate at the chance of drafting Rose, and look at some of the assets some of those teams have, and you could get a lot of pieces by trading the pick. Take the Blazers for instance. What do you think they would give up for Rose? Their pick (what is it, like 13? 14?), the rights to Rudy Fernandez, Channing Frye/Outaw/Webster, future first? They have tons of assets to offer...its something a team with a lot of holes like the Grizzlies would have to consider I think.
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DerrickRose23 wrote:what would be a better deal that would include Tyrus Ryguy? in your opinion?
It's tough to say because (personally) the main reason why we are looking for a pass first PG like Conley would be to create alot more finishing opportunities around the basket for Tyrus so he can maximize all of his athleticism.
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Awoooga wrote:Knicks could trade #5 for him, I'd be all for it.
That was the deal that immediately came to mind.
Assuming Rose, Beasley and Mayo are off the board, I think the Knicks would be down to take a chance on someone like Conley instead of Bayless or Lopez (IMO Conley is the better prospect).
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I think if I were the Sonics it'd be more like:
1. Rose
2. Beasley
3. Mayo
4. Lopez
Their point guards suck there and while Beasley is a beast and buddies with Durant, I think Seattle is happy with Durant eventually at the 3 and Green at the 4. Plugging someone like Rose into the backcourt getting those two easy shots would be lethal. Beasley needs a lot of shots and so does Durant. Not sure if they would have alpha dog struggles with those two.
1. Rose
2. Beasley
3. Mayo
4. Lopez
Their point guards suck there and while Beasley is a beast and buddies with Durant, I think Seattle is happy with Durant eventually at the 3 and Green at the 4. Plugging someone like Rose into the backcourt getting those two easy shots would be lethal. Beasley needs a lot of shots and so does Durant. Not sure if they would have alpha dog struggles with those two.
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I cant see Seattle trading down. What would they trade down for? Draft Westbrook and what else? They have tons of draft picks over the next few years, and there are four different players that would fit in really well in Seattle, and they just happen to be the four best players in this draft. Beasley? Stud. Rose? Stud at a position of need. Mayo? Stud who could get defenses to lay off KD. A 2-3-4 of Mayo, Durant, and Green? Pretty good core if you ask me. Say they drop to four...they still need a scoring big man/center, and you have Brook Lopez sitting there. The fifth pick could provide to be tricky if those guys are gone. Bayless is still there and a better option than trading down for Westbrook in my opinion. Not to mention Eric Gordon. Seattle has a lot of holes and this draft is tailor made for them.
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Conley AT WORSE would go for the ninth pick to Chicago if available to them, so lets break it down (and no Conley is not going for the 1-2-3 picks, so lets just start with 4th).
1. Miami (4th)
No. Miami is most likely going to try a Ray Allen type trade with this pick, and Conley does not fit that bill.
2. Seattle (4th and 5th)
The question here is what does Seattle want their pick. Picking in either spot guarantees them Mayo/Bayless/Gordon and they might want to pull the trigger on one of those guys instead. But they would certainly have discussions about it.
3. Minnesota (4th-5th-6th)
I just don't see any chance they pass on Lopez to get a PG. Granted, numerous teams have made mistakes and passed on better players to fill a need, but Lopez V Conley grades about the same, so you take the need. But if Lopez is gone, the question becomes how sure Minny feels with Foye as the PG and who they AREN'T picking, because Gordon/Bayless would have to be there for them if Lopez/Mayo/Top 2 where gone.
4. Knicks (5th-6th)
Entirely possible that the Knicks would want to go after Conley considering their lack of a PG on the roster, but this also asks the question: what does NY want. Worse case scenario for them is Bayless/Mayo/Top 2 are all gone and they are left with Gordon and Lopez really or the LowLotteryPotenialSpecials, so I could see them move Conley for the pick.
5. LA Clippers (6th-7th)
Entirely possible they move the pick for Conley. They have the biggest holes at PG, they need a PG because Livingston is a big ? and their is no better PG available. It really depends on what LAC want to do with Livingston. They can get Conley to replace or compliment him, but if they want to go long term with Livingston then one would assume they are looking for a two guard with this pick.
6. Charlotte (8th-9th)
Can't see it. They have Felton, the two definitely cannot play together and I don't see an upgrade at that position for Charlotte. Plus, having those two is like a having a 17 in blackjack: your in decent shape and definitely can be worse off, but you also know you are not playing an elite hand either.
7. Chicago (9th-10th)
No way the Bulls pass on a Conley for #9 deal. They need a PG like Conley, and the only guy that comes close in this draft at #9 is Augustin and many questions there. Bulls would NOT add Noah, Thomas or Thabo though, the idea is to play Conley with these guys, not trade these guys for Conley.
1. Miami (4th)
No. Miami is most likely going to try a Ray Allen type trade with this pick, and Conley does not fit that bill.
2. Seattle (4th and 5th)
The question here is what does Seattle want their pick. Picking in either spot guarantees them Mayo/Bayless/Gordon and they might want to pull the trigger on one of those guys instead. But they would certainly have discussions about it.
3. Minnesota (4th-5th-6th)
I just don't see any chance they pass on Lopez to get a PG. Granted, numerous teams have made mistakes and passed on better players to fill a need, but Lopez V Conley grades about the same, so you take the need. But if Lopez is gone, the question becomes how sure Minny feels with Foye as the PG and who they AREN'T picking, because Gordon/Bayless would have to be there for them if Lopez/Mayo/Top 2 where gone.
4. Knicks (5th-6th)
Entirely possible that the Knicks would want to go after Conley considering their lack of a PG on the roster, but this also asks the question: what does NY want. Worse case scenario for them is Bayless/Mayo/Top 2 are all gone and they are left with Gordon and Lopez really or the LowLotteryPotenialSpecials, so I could see them move Conley for the pick.
5. LA Clippers (6th-7th)
Entirely possible they move the pick for Conley. They have the biggest holes at PG, they need a PG because Livingston is a big ? and their is no better PG available. It really depends on what LAC want to do with Livingston. They can get Conley to replace or compliment him, but if they want to go long term with Livingston then one would assume they are looking for a two guard with this pick.
6. Charlotte (8th-9th)
Can't see it. They have Felton, the two definitely cannot play together and I don't see an upgrade at that position for Charlotte. Plus, having those two is like a having a 17 in blackjack: your in decent shape and definitely can be worse off, but you also know you are not playing an elite hand either.
7. Chicago (9th-10th)
No way the Bulls pass on a Conley for #9 deal. They need a PG like Conley, and the only guy that comes close in this draft at #9 is Augustin and many questions there. Bulls would NOT add Noah, Thomas or Thabo though, the idea is to play Conley with these guys, not trade these guys for Conley.
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