Bulls/Kings

[pillwenney]

I swear, because we haven't had much athleticism in the front court everyone pops a wood over a guy like THomas. He's GARBAGE. I'd like Hakim Warrick better than Thomas or even Travis Outlay in that skinny tweener forward type that's incredibly athletic. At least those guys can shoot it a little.

Tyrus has played 20 minutes or more in only 30 out of the 82 games. Veteran players like Andres Nocioni, Drew Gooden, and Joe Smith all played over him because he, along with 5 other Bulls, told Boylan that they had problems with his ways and couldn't see the light of day after. Wallace had to be dealt to clear time for Noah by the GM because Noah was barely playing after he mouthed off to Boylan as well.

Here are some of the lines that Tyrus had when he played over 20 minutes:

Points/Rebounds/Assists/Steals/Blocks

21/12/2/3 on 10/16 shooting in 43 minutes

6/3/5/2/3 in 20 minutes

19/14/2/2 matched up against the aforementioned Rasheed Wallace

8/12/2/1 in 20 minutes

8/9/4/2/1 in 20 minutes

10/6/4/2/3 in 21 minutes

14/6/2/2/3 in 27 minutes

14/9/2/1/3 in 23 minutes against the Kings

10/11/0/2/2

15/5/2/1/2 in 25 minutes

10/12/1/1/4

10/6/5/1/3 in 24 minutes

18/11/4/2/3 in 33 minutes

18/6/5/1/2 in 26 minutes

6/10/2/0/2 in 20 minutes

12/7/1/1/1 in 24 minutes

24/7/0/1/0

4/8/3/1/1

10/6/2/2/5

20/14/3/0/3

12/8/3/0/2

26/4/1/2/0

That's not too shabby considering he plays great defense and is a project in his second season.

This is what I'm talking about. The guy has shown some really good stuff when given the opportunity.

SRV, I still don't think it's that bad. Yeah, Spencer is skinny right now, but look at almost any player in the league at his age. When his body matures more, he won't be undersized at all. The guy seems to like to mix it up inside, he's just usually not strong enough to--right now.

Tyrus is undersized, I just don't think it's as bad as some make it out to be.

[RyGuy24]

Undersized = physically inferior to their counterparts.
Hawes is very skinny for center, with a possibility of beefing up, I don't see him a power guy ever, though.
Tyrus is skinny with small frame, he'll be a nightmare defending big PFs.

I don't see how you can say " Not really all that undersized."

An if you did indeed watch Tyrus, him Vs Rasheed Wallace in ECSF is a good example of why he's undersized.

He was 19-20 years old and we all knew when we drafted him it was going to take a few years to put the weight on; forgive me if one of the NBA's best PF's in Rasheed beat him.

[ICMTM]

I was skinny @ 19!

[Smills91]

^ This is NBA ball, not YMCA ball!

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He was 19-20 years old and we all knew when we drafted him it was going to take a few years to put the weight on; forgive me if one of the NBA's best PF's in Rasheed beat him.

Again, What exactly are you trying to say? I didn't say he should've beaten Wallace or dominate him, I'm saying he's undersized, and Wallace used it against him very well, and that was just an example, every time I watch him I see a physically inferior player who plays more like an energy than a set starter player.

[ICMTM]

^ This is NBA ball, not YMCA ball!

Don't hate!

[KF10]

I do this deal w/o Garcia IMO.

[Smills91]

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Don't hate!

I'm not hating, just keeping it real!

[Cruel_Ruin]

I swear, because we haven't had much athleticism in the front court everyone pops a wood over a guy like THomas. He's GARBAGE. I'd like Hakim Warrick better than Thomas or even Travis Outlay in that skinny tweener forward type that's incredibly athletic. At least those guys can shoot it a little.

It's not just the athleticism, I'm telling you, Tyrus has some of the best defensive instincts I've ever seen. I remember in a game last year, a teammate of his was guarding Dwight, who was able to get up a post move off only to have Tyrus come on the help side and swat his shot at it's peak. It's the same kind of instincts that all the great shotblockers had, go down the list: Josh Smith, Theo Ratliff, Bill Russell...

[PaKwAn]

I'm not decided on this deal yet because the kings should consider the factors on this deal. First would be the kirk and beno thing,meaning who do the kings consider would help them in many ways. Then there's the tyrus and 12th pick or better yet tyrus and westbrook/speights/arthur and the list goes on depending on who we fill is the better fit. Those are some factors i see on this trade and looking at the deal again im a little on the against but that's how i see it though.

[pillwenney]

The way I see it at this point, Tyrus is worth close to the 12th pick. Outside of that it's Brad/Cisco for Hinrich, which I don't think I would do right now.

I think a deal could be made here, I'm just not exactly sure how it would work.

[sackings916]

Kings trade:
Brad Miller
John Salmons

Bulls trade:
2008 1st round pick(most likely #9 overall)
Larry Hughes
Cedric Simmons

Kings draft Anthony Randolph at 9 and Russell Westbrook at 12.

Hawes/Williams/Simmons
Moore/Randolph/SAR/Thomas
Artest/Garcia
Martin/Douby/Hughes
Beno/Westbrook/Hughes

Acquiring Hughes still falls in line with our cap plan since he expires the same year as Miller.



Bulls:
Miller/Noah/Gray
Gooden/Thomas
Deng/Nocioni
Salmons/Thabo
Hinrich

Bulls can then package one of Noah/TT with Nocioni for a star player and become a contender in the east.

[JimmyBulls]

The way I see it at this point, Tyrus is worth close to the 12th pick. Outside of that it's Brad/Cisco for Hinrich, which I don't think I would do right now.

I think a deal could be made here, I'm just not exactly sure how it would work.

The Kings getting the Bulls 09 1st rounder (top 3 protected) outright isn't enough to seal the deal?

[Smills91]

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The Kings getting the Bulls 09 1st rounder (top 3 protected) outright isn't enough to seal the deal?

No way, we value Cisco much more than the Bulls '09 pick.

[JimmyBulls]

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No way, we value Cisco much more than the Bulls '09 pick.

You rejected the deal from the jump so that question wasn't for you. But, how would your (and other Kings fans) opinion of the deal change if Garcia was exchanged for Salmons?

[Smills91]

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You rejected the deal from the jump so that question wasn't for you. But, how would your (and other Kings fans) opinion of the deal change if Garcia was exchanged for Salmons?

Not much, think SAR and you're getting warmer.

[longfellow44]

Salmons and Garcia have similar value to us. Either could start in the league but Garcia has the added ability to play well off the bench.

[PaKwAn]

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The Kings getting the Bulls 09 1st rounder (top 3 protected) outright isn't enough to seal the deal?

In the deal that you proposed we only had the choice to swap picks in 09 and based on you being in the east you might be in the playoffs thus making that swap useless.

[JimmyBulls]

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In the deal that you proposed we only had the choice to swap picks in 09 and based on you being in the east you might be in the playoffs thus making that swap useless.

True. But i'm asking how would opinions change if the selection was outright, and/or if Garcia was change with Salmons.

[ebill_03]

Wow. 50% (albeit a very low sample size) of replies say no? This deal seems like highway robbery for the Kings imo. I'd do the deal even if the Kings threw in Martin instead of the pick.

Then I have always loved the Bulls and I probably value their players far more than guys that mostly watch the Kings do. I even account for Hinrich's bad year.