Remember Brandon Roy?

[trickydik]

and yes we all know the hawks blew 2 good draft's that could of changed the face of this organization , but i'm just trying to put a positive spin on things. you guys are always complaining about what we could of had , why not start talking about what we do have and move from there.

at the time of the 2005 draft , it was about 50/50 on who wanted paul and who wanted marvin. it could of been a totally different out come and the bucks could of taken marvin with the 1st pick , would you be upset if we gotten bogut ? , from these post i would say yes , but once again i'm happy we got a decent player out of it.

even with the horrible 06 draft , we still got a pg which we been lacking since the mookie days , but now we got bibby and law to talk about.

you guys could bring up the drafts all you want , but it's still not going to change anything , you will still wake up the next day and see marvin on the atlanta hawks roster.

so you can either support him , like normal hawks fan's or you can continue the "we should of drafted paul" threads , only this is moving on to the "we should of drafted roy".

i'm not going to bitch about the past , we all know we made mistakes and we will continue to make mistakes , atleast our mistakes wasn't huge ones like the chargers taking leaf

[Rip2137]

1: Zaza was injured at the start of the year. When he got back from injury he was immediately put in the starting lineup and Horford went to the bench. This went on for 5 games I believe (with Al getting one more start because Josh was hurt against Seattle). Then Zaza got hurt again and went back to the bench and never regained his starting spot. Lets not pretend that Al was starting because he was obviously the best guy. Woodson wouldn't have started him as a rookie. It was because of injuries and nothing more.

Wrong again. Horford started 79 out of a possible 81 games and played MORE minutes than Zaza in the 2 games he didn't start. He actually played the exact same minutes(30 per game)in the games where he started.

No...not wrong.

Al didn't start against Charlotte, got the start in seattle because Josh Smith was hurt, was back to the bench against Milwalkee, the spurs and Miami.

2: And if he started over Marvin williams, what exactly would his role be? What is Marvin? A spot up shooter??????

If Marvin was actually good at handling the ball and scoring 1 on 1 he wouldn't be a spot up shooter. It's not that hard to figure out.[/quote]

Marvin was second on the team in freethrow attempts, mostly when Joe was having a horrid start to the year. Marvin obviously can slash and get to the rim. He doesn't in our offense because Joe controls the ball and turns him into a spot up shooter.

3: Yes, he would have been a spot up shooter. Brandon Roy is not Dwayne Wade. It is still a lame comparison as it was the first time you used it. Compare apples to apples dude.

I will say it again. What is the difference between Brandon Roy/Joe Johnson and Dwyane Wade/Eddie Jones during his rookie year. I also would like to know why Roy wouldn't be the 2nd option on the Hawks when less efficient offensive players like Josh Smith and Al Harrington have been 2nd options in Joe's 3 years here.[/quote]

Eddie Jones didn't run a 1-4 offense in Miami. He didn't have the ball in his hands 90% of the time. he and Dwayne Wades games are/were NOTHING alike. It not even slightly a accurate comparison.

If Brandon Roy has been successful in a 1-4 offense that has him with the ball in his hands making decisions 90% of the time, what makes you believe that he was going to be able to do that here. Do you truely believe that we were going to change the whole offense to cater to a rookie? HOW does that seem realistic to you? I don't see how anyone can possibly say that.

You are not going to be able to name another team that took the ball out of their superstar player in the second year of his contract to placate a rookie. Who, oh, by the way, was injured for over a month 4 games into the season and was injured again by seasons end. It simply was not going to happen.

Did Roy not play with Zach Randolph his rookie year or I'm missing something? 'm not saying Roy would have came in and scores 25 a game right away. However he WOULD have played over 30 minutes a game and been the clear 2nd option on the team because he would be the only player on the team who could create his own shot. So yes....saying that Roy wouldn't have done well on the Hawks(or be a top minute per game backup like you said 4 months ago)is dumb if you don't think a player like Iverson or Wade would do well on the Hawks as well. You have yet to disprove my theory that the Heat drafted Wade despite having a max player at SG and two point guards get drafted within the next 3 picks(Ford and Hinrich). It's amazing how much you contradict yourself and have excuse after excuse to defend Billy Knight's horrible draft picks.[/quote]


For what seems like the tenth time, I have NEVER defended the Sheldon pick. EVER. Not ONCE have I EVER said it was a good pick. I have said they SHOULD have used the pick to make the team better. My point has been it wasn't a bad pick because we didn't take Roy, it was a bad pick because of all the things we could have done with it that would have instantly made the team better. Drafting Roy was not one of them. So here i am CLEARLY saying to you AGAIN that IT WAS A BAD PICK. USING THE NUMBER 5 PICK IN THE DRAFT FOR SHELDON WILLIAMS WAS A BAD PICK. Jesus, dude.

Did Zach Randolf not spend the middle part of the season complaining about touches because Roy came back from injury and they went back to the offense they wrote for him? Randolf started out the season strong because Roy wasn't there. When he came back, they went away from Zach and back to Roy.

You know who else can create their own shot? Marvin Williams. Now some how him starting off the year taking nearly 8 freethrows a game is about to be explained away by you somehow. I am not saying he is as good a scorer as Brandon Roy, but lets not pretend there are no players on this team that can't create when their obviously is.

And you also want to just ignore that Roy missed the first month of his rookie year. What coach would have put him back out there as the starter, and according to you, hand the offense to him.

Thats quite a paragigm shift for a guy that hasn't shown consistant confidence in young players at the Center or guard spots.

I also see you are changing your tune about Woodson being the reason why Shelden didn't do well and "didn't get any plays ran for him"(lmao) now that he has been traded. It's amazing how you are forgetting that you said would have been crying that we didn't draft Shelden when he was playing huge minutes for another team and putting up a double double while Roy was Joe's backup. I HAVE to ask why Shelden played ONE more minute per game in Sac than Atlanta if Woodson was holding him back

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Who is changing anything? Sheldon Williams lost minutes as a rookie so that Lo Wright could play when he out played him in every aspect of the game. He averaged a double double when playing starters minutes. Thats something you can't deny(although amazingly people do...weird). I never said Sheldon was great or even good, but on a team that would have drafted him and given him starters minutes in the front court, he would have put up better numbers than Roy(if Roy played here) his rookie year and would have been around 10-10 for the year. Roy would have been around 10 points per game here and people would have whined about how we needed a big because Lo Wright and Zaza would have had all our front court minutes and said we should have drafted Sheldon. He got shipped to Sacramento where they have Brad Miller, Miki Moore, and Spener Hawes in the front court. he isn't going to get PT because all of them are better than him. I don't see what the hell that has to do with my point from earlier, but okay.

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was to point out that we have to go for the best talent 9 out of 10 times instead of position.
I could not tell you at the time that Roy would have been what he is today, which is an all-star and injury prone.
Fact is, BK doesn't know guards and it is obvious.
With the low picks we have had, he doesn't seem to value guards as much as big men.
After his 6'7" versatile player lineup experiment failed miserably, (putting JJ at the point; really?) he succumbed and spent a fortune on Speedy, who has never held down a starting spot.
Too many misses in the draft just should not make you the basketball expert. We all can miss on the draft picks because we don't do this for a living. BK does, and he failed at it. That is why he took his attitude and ran before a decision had to be made.
Roy should have been a Hawk by default, and Bibby is only a interim fix.
Another interim expensive fix.