sully00 wrote:Those that can't play coach, those that don't have a clue about either one blame the coach.
Rivers is an idiot!
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Cep wrote:Yea, but Z was on fire, and Powe had disrupted his shot before, as Davis had him opened a bunch of times. Z is a Celtic killer.
Don't take this personally but you're a moron. Did you watch any of the C's/Cavs games from the regular season? Other than KG, Davis probably did the best job guarding Z. He has the weight to push him off the block (something nobody else on the C's has) and does a great job at challenging his shooting hand. Baby plays Z almost completely fundamentally sound. That's why he was in there guarding Z. My guess is you were more frustrated with Davis on the offensive side of the ball where he didn't do much. Really though, you should watch the games more closely.
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We won despite our two wings having bad games. Of course it's a home game and I'd feel a lot more comfortable not to have any home games in doubt.
But this is the playoffs not the regular season when you could conceivably toss a coach. Hopefully after a lackluster game he makes the necessary adjustments and we hold home court advantage and win this series.
At this point all you can do is sit back and root for our team and wish Doc the best. If god forbid we end up getting tossed from the playoffs then and only then should we even be thinking about calling for heads.
But this is the playoffs not the regular season when you could conceivably toss a coach. Hopefully after a lackluster game he makes the necessary adjustments and we hold home court advantage and win this series.
At this point all you can do is sit back and root for our team and wish Doc the best. If god forbid we end up getting tossed from the playoffs then and only then should we even be thinking about calling for heads.
[quote:545636310b="Darth Celtic"]man, these refs need to stop giving us the benefit of the doubt and start screwing us.[/quote]
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Taget wrote:We won despite our two wings having bad games. Of course it's a home game and I'd feel a lot more comfortable not to have any home games in doubt.
But this is the playoffs not the regular season when you could conceivably toss a coach. Hopefully after a lackluster game he makes the necessary adjustments and we hold home court advantage and win this series.
At this point all you can do is sit back and root for our team and wish Doc the best. If god forbid we end up getting tossed from the playoffs then and only then should we even be thinking about calling for heads.
And even then, how smart would it be now that we finally have had some head coach stability and the players (especially the Big 3) like playing for him?
It's still 17 to 11!!!!
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Let me first say I thought Doc did a better than credited job in the Atlanta series.
That being said I'm convinced yesterday's game was historic. It might have been the worst combined coaching performance by two coaches in a playoff game. I swear the coaches made the wrong move (or nonmove) every single chance they got.
We went through an amazing number of scoreless stretches yesterday including the beginning of the game, when the bench came on in the second quarter, after the first four points of the third quarter. And we didn't make any adjustments. We didn't put anyone in the game, we didn't call a timeout, we didn't take the ball out of the hands of the guys who were shooting poorly and turning the ball over.
Just b/c we played well defensively doen't mean we had to play poorly offensively. It wasn't their defense that was causing our poor play. It was the awful one on one crap RAy and Paul were doing, and the careless throwing away of the ball.
What I don't understand is why are substitution pattern is so damn rigid. Why don't we take guys out (cept Powe) when they have four bad possesions in a row. . Its not like we can't bring them back in. More disturbingly, such a pattern suggests you really aren't paying much attention to matchups. SA doesn't wait half a quarter to bring Ginobili in when things start off poorly.
Some games Rondo should play half a quarter some a whole quarter some 16 minutes straight. It should depend on the situation, not a preconcieved rotation. If Paul is playing that bad take him out. experiment with a rondo cassell lineup. So something.
Thankfully Mike Brown was even less imaginative. HE basically ran the same 3 plays the entire game.
That being said I'm convinced yesterday's game was historic. It might have been the worst combined coaching performance by two coaches in a playoff game. I swear the coaches made the wrong move (or nonmove) every single chance they got.
We went through an amazing number of scoreless stretches yesterday including the beginning of the game, when the bench came on in the second quarter, after the first four points of the third quarter. And we didn't make any adjustments. We didn't put anyone in the game, we didn't call a timeout, we didn't take the ball out of the hands of the guys who were shooting poorly and turning the ball over.
Just b/c we played well defensively doen't mean we had to play poorly offensively. It wasn't their defense that was causing our poor play. It was the awful one on one crap RAy and Paul were doing, and the careless throwing away of the ball.
What I don't understand is why are substitution pattern is so damn rigid. Why don't we take guys out (cept Powe) when they have four bad possesions in a row. . Its not like we can't bring them back in. More disturbingly, such a pattern suggests you really aren't paying much attention to matchups. SA doesn't wait half a quarter to bring Ginobili in when things start off poorly.
Some games Rondo should play half a quarter some a whole quarter some 16 minutes straight. It should depend on the situation, not a preconcieved rotation. If Paul is playing that bad take him out. experiment with a rondo cassell lineup. So something.
Thankfully Mike Brown was even less imaginative. HE basically ran the same 3 plays the entire game.
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yeah Doc's substituting was rediculous. he just totally disregards matchups and thinks he can sub guys the same way all the time. this is a series where we should see some eddie house. he won't get abused by the cleveland guards bringing the ball up and his defense is at least as good as cassells. his perimeter shooting was neeeeeeeeeeeeded yesterday.
the second thing that pisses me off about doc is his refusal to adjust the starting lineups ever. our best five players in this series are rondo/pierce/posey/garnett/perkins. i love ray ray but he should be coming off the bench. granted doc hasn't changed the starting lineup all year and he would get killed i'm sure for doing it now, but the point is, a coach like phil jackson will tweak his starting lineup however he sees fit or simply on a whim even and no one would ever think twice...
the second thing that pisses me off about doc is his refusal to adjust the starting lineups ever. our best five players in this series are rondo/pierce/posey/garnett/perkins. i love ray ray but he should be coming off the bench. granted doc hasn't changed the starting lineup all year and he would get killed i'm sure for doing it now, but the point is, a coach like phil jackson will tweak his starting lineup however he sees fit or simply on a whim even and no one would ever think twice...
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as far as doc rivers goes, we have a championship roster, but this team will go only as far as doc rivers will take them. HE is the limiting factor to our team, the only thing that can hold them back from banner 17, not the players on the roster.
lets put it this way, if phil jackson or popavich were our coach, i would be INFINITELY more confident in our team right now. and speaking of phil jackson, if we make it to the finals, i really really really do NOT want to play the Lakers. Jackson would outcoach Doc every game....
lets put it this way, if phil jackson or popavich were our coach, i would be INFINITELY more confident in our team right now. and speaking of phil jackson, if we make it to the finals, i really really really do NOT want to play the Lakers. Jackson would outcoach Doc every game....
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ArmstrongInGreen wrote:as far as doc rivers goes, we have a championship roster, but this team will go only as far as doc rivers will take them. HE is the limiting factor to our team, the only thing that can hold them back from banner 17, not the players on the roster.
lets put it this way, if phil jackson or popavich were our coach, i would be INFINITELY more confident in our team right now. and speaking of phil jackson, if we make it to the finals, i really really really do NOT want to play the Lakers. Jackson would outcoach Doc every game....
Of course, because Doc is the one playing point guard, shooting guard, small forward, power forward, and center. He's the one taking all of those shots and playing defense and rebounding and dishing out assists and taking free throws. So he better do that all perfectly or it's all his fault.
Because the PLAYERS don't do anything, right?
Again, I don't think Doc is perfect but all of you seem to have mental problems or something the way you blame him for **** EVERYTHING AND ANYTHING pertaining to this team. If someone goes down with an injury (God forbid), you'll all blame him for not looking into the future and seeing it and taking the guy out of the game.
(Please Use More Appropriate Word).
It's still 17 to 11!!!!
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So is Doc an idiot for sticking with his set rotation, or for changing his set rotation to adjust to the circumstances of the game? You can't have it both ways.
Doc is going to stay with the guys are who defending even if they are struggling offensively, because that is what has won 66 games and that is what won the game on Mon. We stopped CLE from scoring down the stretch, if you don't get that then your opinion of Doc doesn't really matter.
Doc is going to stay with the guys are who defending even if they are struggling offensively, because that is what has won 66 games and that is what won the game on Mon. We stopped CLE from scoring down the stretch, if you don't get that then your opinion of Doc doesn't really matter.
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