TK's 3 year plan for a shot at a championship

[SendEm]

Neither one of those trades make us better. In fact they make us much worse.

Ben Wallace = overpaid scrub

Who is Dwyane Jones?

Michael Redd sucks. Iguodala is the superior player. We also give them our first rounder?

Sixers pass.

Iggy better than Redd?

Redd is certainly paid too well in a salary cap league but he NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER comes up short. Iggy might somehow be the better fantasy basketball player, I wouldn't know I don't play, but Redd is by FAR the superior NBA basketball player and talent.

[freshie2]

Redd's a better shooter, but the overall value is negligible...why would they need to get a #1 in addition to Iguodala? Did Redd suddenly become more than a 28 year old scorer?

[tk76]

Unless someone is dumb enough to sign AIG to the max- he will have more trade value than Redd for the forseeable future. Its not soley based on skill level. Age and salary have a lot to do with trade value.

[Philly_King]

76ers send:
Reggie Evans
Rodney Carney
Willie Green
Jason Smith

Cavaliers send:
Ben Wallace
Dwyane Jones

Why for us: At only a cost of 4 million dollars for us. We acquire a 6 time defensive player of the year and one of the best weakside shotblockers in the NBA to pair up with Dalembert.

Why for Cleveland: To get better, they need an offensive upgrade at the 4. Reggie Evans plays with tenacious energy on defense and whilst not the shotblocker that Wallace is, he won't hurt the Cavs either. Willie Green and Jason Smith will provide for offensive off the bench and they garner a prospect in Carney.

WOW just WOW.
You want to trade for Wallace who is due nearly 30 mill in the next 2 seasons? This is not the same Wallace that was a defensive and rebounding force in case you've been living under a rock. There's a reason Cleveland got arguably worse after the Ben Wallace trade. He's 34 and pretty much washed up. Yeah he's still a good defensive player but him and Sammy would be suicide on offense. Cleveland would probably be glad to give him up for nothing since he's killing their cap.

76ers trade:
SG Andre Iguodala
16th pick in the draft

Bucks trade:
SG Michael Redd.

Why for us: Michael Redd is FINALLY that number 1 guy. Averaging 22 pt a game. Redd's 28 years old. But I wanna make a run now, **** later. Besides, Iguodala at his best is only a 15 PPG Guard.

Why for the Bucks: In the lottery for the 3RD Straight year. The Bucks need to concede that they are in rebuliding. And what better way then to get a legitimate 23 year old 2 guard known for his tenacious D.(Yes, I said 2 guard).

Redd is a better scorer than Iguodala but I highly doubt that he is much more valuable than Iguodala at this point. Again, if he has guided the bucks to the lottery 3 straight years I don't think he will do that much better with the probably less talented no bench sixers team you have formed there. And Iguodala averaged 20ppg last season at only the age of 24 with plenty room to improve.

That's just through trades. I love the starting 5 I've created. Dalembert and Wallace on the defensive end. Miller, Redd and Young on the offensive end. It's a complete starting 5.

Ok so let's pretend for a minute that is actually a good starting 5. Where's the bench? You cleverly traded Smith,Green,Carney,Evand AND the #16 pick. FA? Don't think so. Wallace is due 14.5mill next season. Redd- 16m. Miller 10m. Sammy 10.5m. 4 starters are pretty much taking up ALL the salary cap. Thank god you're not the GM seeing as that team would rightfully take the NY knicks' place of the NBA's laughing stock.

[Philly_King]

Who is Dwyane Jones?

Amazing talent that averaged 1.4 points and 2.6 rebounds last year for the Cavs. I don't even know why he was included in the trade . Is Ben Wallaces value so high that we couldn't ask for anything other than a D-league scrub? In fact The Cavs should be willing to give us the world for taking Wallace off their hands.

[Dedicated_76ers_fan]

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Dedicated_76ers_fan wrote:
76ers send:
Reggie Evans
Rodney Carney
Willie Green
Jason Smith

Cavaliers send:
Ben Wallace
Dwyane Jones

Why for us: At only a cost of 4 million dollars for us. We acquire a 6 time defensive player of the year and one of the best weakside shotblockers in the NBA to pair up with Dalembert.

Why for Cleveland: To get better, they need an offensive upgrade at the 4. Reggie Evans plays with tenacious energy on defense and whilst not the shotblocker that Wallace is, he won't hurt the Cavs either. Willie Green and Jason Smith will provide for offensive off the bench and they garner a prospect in Carney.


WOW just WOW.
You want to trade for Wallace who is due nearly 30 mill in the next 2 seasons? This is not the same Wallace that was a defensive and rebounding force in case you've been living under a rock. There's a reason Cleveland got arguably worse after the Ben Wallace trade. He's 34 and pretty much washed up. Yeah he's still a good defensive player but him and Sammy would be suicide on offense. Cleveland would probably be glad to give him up for nothing since he's killing their cap.

The problem inlies in that Zydrunas Ilgasukas, much like in the Chicago situation is not a main defender, shotblocker. Sam can play that role. Once Ben Wallace returns to the role of being weak-side shotblocker and rebounder, You'd call me a genius -_-
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76ers trade:
SG Andre Iguodala
16th pick in the draft

Bucks trade:
SG Michael Redd.

Why for us: Michael Redd is FINALLY that number 1 guy. Averaging 22 pt a game. Redd's 28 years old. But I wanna make a run now, **** later. Besides, Iguodala at his best is only a 15 PPG Guard.

Why for the Bucks: In the lottery for the 3RD Straight year. The Bucks need to concede that they are in rebuliding. And what better way then to get a legitimate 23 year old 2 guard known for his tenacious D.(Yes, I said 2 guard).

Redd is a better scorer than Iguodala but I highly doubt that he is much more valuable than Iguodala at this point. Again, if he has guided the bucks to the lottery 3 straight years I don't think he will do that much better with the probably less talented no bench sixers team you have formed there. And Iguodala averaged 20ppg last season at only the age of 24 with plenty room to improve.

Iguodala averaged 20 a game due to a jump shot. He made literally no improvements from last year. He just shot a little better. And Tayshaun Prince exposed him. He's a 15 PPG SG and completely expendable. And Redd isn't JUST a shooter. Redd has quickness to go along with the shot and is one of the more under-rated(albeit slightly overpaid) 2 guards in the league.


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That's just through trades. I love the starting 5 I've created. Dalembert and Wallace on the defensive end. Miller, Redd and Young on the offensive end. It's a complete starting 5.

Ok so let's pretend for a minute that is actually a good starting 5. Where's the bench? You cleverly traded Smith,Green,Carney,Evand AND the #16 pick. FA? Don't think so. Wallace is due 14.5mill next season. Redd- 16m. Miller 10m. Sammy 10.5m. 4 starters are pretty much taking up ALL the salary cap. Thank god you're not the GM seeing as that team would rightfully take the NY knicks' place of the NBA's laughing stock.

We sent about 8 million in the Ben Wallace trade, I project we only spent 4 million there. And in the Iguodala trade, we assume he signs a 10 million dollar contract. If you want. We could take Jason Smith out of the deal and place him in this deal. And it would allow us to have 8-to-9 million dollars in cap.

So recount with me: I bulit a legitimate starting lineup ultimately by spending just 3 million dollars.

Wake up.

[Dedicated_76ers_fan]

The funny thing is, I bulit our team into a contender by keeping cap space to sign ACTUAL PIECES to our bench. The only players that I gave up of actual value are Evans(a marginal bench player) and Carney(decent scorer off the bench). You get those for the LLE Dude. .

[Philly_King]

The funny thing is, I bulit our team into a contender by keeping cap space to sign ACTUAL PIECES to our bench. The only players that I gave up of actual value are Evans(a marginal bench player) and Carney(decent scorer off the bench). You get those for the LLE Dude. .

That team is anything BUT a contender. Plus it is in salary cap hell for the next 3 years. I'd rather keep the current team plus a FA PF thanks.

[SouthJersey]

Yeah that team blows. Too guys who havent done jack in 3 years come in.
Plus, do you honestly think that Cleveland would make Reggie Evans their starter? They already have a better hi energy player.

[freshie2]

So they should give up Igoudala, Green, Carney, Evans, Smith and the 16th pick for Wallace, Jones and Redd...what else is coming?

[tk76]

Boy, that would make us both older and still not a contender. I guess it would get us that much closer to blowing it up again and going back to the lottery.

[Salvistine24]

So they should give up Igoudala, Green, Carney, Evans, Smith and the 16th pick for Wallace, Jones and Redd...what else is coming?

miller and a future first for iverson lol...

[tk76]

Anyone else finding Lebron's 2 games of 8 for 42 and 17 TO's makes you feel a little bit better about the chances that Iguodala can bounce back from his bad series?

Even a HOF SF with no support can look bad when a good team doubles and triples him all over the court.

Doesn't make AIG's ugly series any prettier, but at least I can sleep a bit better after watching other quality SF's struggle- Butler, Howard and now Lebron have all had stretches of at least 2 horrible games in a row.

[SendEm]

Anyone else finding Lebron's 2 games of 8 for 42 and 17 TO's makes you feel a little bit better about the chances that Iguodala can bounce back from his bad series?

Even a HOF SF with no support can look bad when a good team doubles and triples him all over the court.

Doesn't make AIG's ugly series any prettier, but at least I can sleep a bit better after watching other quality SF's struggle- Butler, Howard and now Lebron have all had stretches of at least 2 horrible games in a row.

That's if you throw out the fact that Iggy has only had maybe 3 GREAT NBA games IN HIS NBA CAREER compared to Lebron having like 500 million GREAT NBA games.

Those great Iggy games being the Cleveland OT game a couple of seasons ago, the Suns game this season, and the Boston game this season. You have to reduce everything down to Iggy's playoff series this season and Lebron's SECOND ROUND playoff series this season to make your point valid. A double team can destroy a great player indeed, but a double team will ALWAYS destroy an ordinary player like Iggy. Normally when Lebron gets double teamed he makes the right play. The Sixers double teamed Lebron with Iggy playing defense and he STILL destroyed us.

[tk76]

AIG<<<<<Lebron. No doubt.

The question in my mind- and I'm sure Ed's too, is whether AIG just can't raise his game in the playoffs, or if he can bounce back from his terrible seriesif he was no longer the focal point of the offense.

[bebopdeluxe]

Salvistine24:

If we can't find a GREAT thing to do with our cap room this summer, I wouldn't laugh at that deal.

Yeah, we would be spending $20 million for AI versus $10 million for Miller, but I bet that Iverson's return to this team would lead to, say, an additional $5-7 million in ticket sales, which would offset a decent chunk of the differential (no small matter to the bean counters at Comcast)...we get another 1st round pick...and we have $20 million in cap room in the summer of 2009, when the shopping for FA's may be much better.

Am I advocating that we do this? Nope.

But...would AI alleviate our problems of scoring the ball in the guts of the game? Yup. It would allow Iguodala to play SG to his strengths - defense, transition offense, open jumpers and additional space that AI would create on the floor. Same for Thad at SF. Evans and Smith would hold down the PF position (at least for one more year)...

It is sounding more and more likely that - unless Brand opts-out and signs here - Miller is gone after this season. Many of the possibilities at PF are RFA's that will probably resign with their teams (Okafor, Smith, Biedrins). Others, like Millsap, won't be available until next summer. I don't want them to take this cap room and overpay somebody for 5-6 years just to DO SOMETHING. Iverson's contract expires next summer - just like Miller's contract. We would pick up another 1st round pick and have over $20 million in cap room in the summer of '09. And given that Denver really needs to do something to shake things up, perhaps we can get them to expand the deal (perhaps have them take Willie Green off our hands, for example).

The more I think about it, the less I am laughing...

[SendEm]

Iverson said that he is opting out of the last year of his deal.

[freshie2]

Hope he finds a soft landing spot somewhere west of the Mississippi.