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Monta as pg?

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Monta as full time starting PG

He is not a PG and never will
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19%
He is not ready to be one yet
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15%
He can play point but no full time.
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67%
 
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Post#101 » by GSW2K4 » Thu May 8, 2008 7:25 pm

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It seems that i am in the minority of not wanting Monta to develop "pg skills". (i believe im the only one). Hes a scorer, let him score. He scores at will. Im telling you guys, teams want him to pass. Him passing is doing the opponent a favor. Hes a lethal scorer. He can finish "circus shots". Thats what his instincts have proven and shown.


Hmmm... name a player that hasn't gotten more effective for his team when developing "pg skills"?

When you think about it, every one of the guys on the All-NBA first team (except for Howard) are great as facilitators and scorers. In fact, being able to create for others makes any player more effective because they put more pressure on the defense which in turn makes them more lethal.
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Post#102 » by Sleepy51 » Thu May 8, 2008 7:26 pm

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While I'm finding theres little use talking basketball here...

Any team with a very mobile, long big man gives Monta problems... The Nuggets did as well. Reason being is that the agile big man (in the three team's cases, Duncan/Kiri/Camby) would sag off of Biedrins and worry about the paint... team D would collapse on a Monta drive and cut off the dish to the inside... there you have it. All that good defense started because of an agile and long big man...


It's ok, I think Nick left for a rally. We can talk hoops again.

I forgot to include the Nuggs, but that is exactly the kind of team that can give Monta trouble as a scorer. Camby + Kmart are touble for a team or a player that wants to live off ISO layups. Camby can even eff with your midrange shooters.

Monta needs to pass. Fortunately, he's very good at it.
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Post#103 » by GSW2K4 » Thu May 8, 2008 7:28 pm

510Reggae wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

While I'm finding theres little use talking basketball here...

Any team with a very mobile, long big man gives Monta problems... The Nuggets did as well. Reason being is that the agile big man (in the three team's cases, Duncan/Kiri/Camby) would sag off of Biedrins and worry about the paint... team D would collapse on a Monta drive and cut off the dish to the inside... there you have it. All that good defense started because of an agile and long big man...


:nod: Agreed.

And don't forget Derek Fisher's strategy of just pulling him to the floor... :banghead:
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Post#104 » by GSW2K4 » Thu May 8, 2008 7:31 pm

Sid the Squid wrote:Monta = Gus Williams...Same size..Same game..

Any old farts out there who remember GW's warriors days? That kid was lightning too.

http://www.nba.com/history/players/gusw ... mmary.html


For those of us barely old enough to witness Gus' greatness...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZ16OdiJOC4

Nice comparison.
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Post#105 » by GSW2K4 » Thu May 8, 2008 7:51 pm

Sleepy51 wrote:3 - We agree the kind of players we surround him with is key. Passing is contagious. If he plays for years in an iso, stationary, ballhog system then he's going to develop those tendencies. You replace some of the poor passers or selfish/lazy floorgame players and he will become a different player. If anything will limit his ceiling, it's how this team/system evolves next year. No point in being a unselfish passer if your teammates don't do the work to get themselves in good position to score. Most of our guards are bad teammates in that regard.

4 - players make leaps once they are already inthe league? Monta is simply different material than we are accustomed to observing. High School players are still largely unknown as far as any consistent development paths. KG & Kobe have nothing in common with D Miles. There really are so few of them that the sample is way too small to project one guy's experience onto another. Monta comes to the party late in terms of being a pro with so little quality foundational experiences, but he somehow seems to have shown up unspoiled. He doesn't have bad playground tendencies. He doesn't have an obstinate streak. He does seem to absorb coaching and has been willing to work on his game as instructed. He's been a learning machine out there. We don't usually see that in young guards, and we don't have a lot of experience with HS draftee guards to judge his progress and ceiling by. This is not Seabass telfair, or Cupkake Green (who are both bonafinde dummies.) Monta has stayed young in the good ways. He is not so far removed from his prom as to think he knows better than his coaches. The pace he's been learning at so far points to him being a different kind of player.


Developmentally I'm 100% with you on #3. And whatever position he plays, I think that is the key.

IF he fails as a point, then it's the front office's responsibility to get the most out of him as a player because he's immensely talented and as you say he has an amazing capacity to learn and improve.

However, given the lack of quality foundational experiences that you noted, it is just important that we are patient.
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Post#106 » by GSWhoopfan » Thu May 8, 2008 9:37 pm

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Hmmm... name a player that hasn't gotten more effective for his team when developing "pg skills"?

When you think about it, every one of the guys on the All-NBA first team (except for Howard) are great as facilitators and scorers. In fact, being able to create for others makes any player more effective because they put more pressure on the defense which in turn makes them more lethal.


all Monta needs to do is know when to pass. i dont see why he should be calling the plays? 85% of the plays should be run for him. hes better working off screens and penetrating. he knows to pass when hes got Dwight Howard in his face.
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Post#107 » by Mylie10 » Fri May 9, 2008 2:56 pm

The simple answer is that you have him playing alongside another penetrator slash combo guard. Or a big PG with mad handles.

Or a small forward who can create.

There's nothing wrong with Monta as he is. The problems will start when he's the sole penetrator and quickness guard.

We found something special with the type of combo that Monta and Baron bring together. If Baron was a lethal shooter, then we'd be unstoppable. Oh well no-one's perfect.

I don't want Monta to lose what's got him this far and I'm confident he will dance with the one that brought him.

But there's no denying that he turned a corner with the RUNNING THE TEAM duties, and it was nice to see.

The FO's job for post Baron is to find a complimentary guard that makes Monta as devastating as he is currently.

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And yes Nick I agree that people are born with certain physical traits.
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