If D-Will and CP3 switched places...

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Post#21 » by G-Heel » Fri May 9, 2008 1:41 pm

I would say Utah will be better and Hornet will be worse off. Paul seems to will the Hornets into winning, I don't see that intensity in Deron.
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Post#22 » by Elway=GOAT » Fri May 9, 2008 2:26 pm

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Those "jumpshots" by Paul aren't jumpshots as we would normally think of them. They're more like floaters and inside jumpshots than mid-range and long distance jumpshots. Deron has considerably more range than Paul.

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I think the Hornets would be just as good because Deron can do nearly everything Paul can do plus give his team some more defense, toughness, and range. The Jazz would be much worse because they're system is built around having all five players with shooting ability and the physical strength/toughness to set picks and screens for any other player. Paul maybe better but he can't do what Deron can do.


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Post#23 » by KNICKS1970 » Fri May 9, 2008 3:03 pm

etopn23 wrote:There is no way you could label Deron Williams as a possible HoFer already. No NBA first teams, no record, no rings, no accomplishments whatsoever, never been a top 5 player.

Paul has had one amazing season. That doesn't warrant calling him a future HoFer or top 5 PG all-time. Not yet.


Possible is the wrong word, potential is a better word. Potentially, Deron Williams could be a Hall of Famer and Paul could potentially be one of the 5 best PGs to ever play. The great thing about these young guys is that they have all the potential in the world. It doesn't mean they'll get there, but they have the potential to.
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Post#24 » by Bgil » Fri May 9, 2008 4:17 pm

og15 wrote:
Those "jumpshots" by Paul aren't jumpshots as we would normally think of them. They're more like floaters and inside jumpshots than mid-range and long distance jumpshots. Deron has considerably more range than Paul.

This is true, Deron does have more range, but let us look at what their hotzones say about their shooting:

Paul:
    289 attempts (3.6/G, 22%) from long mid-range 45.7%
    249 three's (3.1/G, 19.2%) 36.9% 3PT
    Total: 538 attempts, 50.1% eFG

Williams:
    328 attempts (4/G, 29%) from long mid-range 44.8%
    210 attempts (2.6/G, 18.8%) 39.5% 3PT
    Total: 538 attempts, 50.5% eFG

Yes, Deron is a better 3PT shooter, but in long mid-range there is minimal difference between them, and Paul actually shoots better.


No, these are Hotzones:
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No, Paul is not the better "mid-range shooter". Deron is also the vastly superior outside shooter especially when you consider that virtually every team in the league is purposely giving that shot to Paul (wide open) but not to Deron.

Those Hotzones aren't even close to being the same. And looking at last year only hurts Paul's case more.
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Post#25 » by maxwellcu » Fri May 9, 2008 5:11 pm

I find it difficult to imagine a scenario in which CP3 doesn't end up having an HOF+ type of career, barring major injury.
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Post#26 » by big123 » Sat May 10, 2008 12:11 am

Paul already has that killer instinct, while Deron doesn't yet IMO.
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Post#27 » by Sedale Threatt » Sat May 10, 2008 1:01 am

This is the biggest, and possibly only, difference I've noticed. Williams is an outstanding player, and he's going to be one for a long time. It just doesn't seem to me that he's as aggressive or cutthroat as Paul is.

There have been lengthy stretches in both the first two games against L.A. where I haven't even noticed him; that should never happen with a player of his caliber. Paul, however, has his fingerprints on virtually everything the Hornets do.

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