Do you think Michael Jordan will continue to resist coaching

RJM · Post #21 » by **RJM** » Thu May 8, 2008 7:30 pm

BRINGTHEPAIN wrote:Jordan is the best X and Os player in NBA history, I think he would tactically be a brilliant coach, maybe even the best coach. His basketball IQ was greater than Larry Bird's. The only question is, does Jordan think coaching is important enough for him to invest the time into it? He may be enjoying semi-retirement too much.

IMO he would be perfect on the Detroit Pistons. Those guys never stop working hard.

Teen Girl Squad · Post #22 » by **Teen Girl Squad** » Thu May 8, 2008 7:59 pm

"Working hard" is a subjective term to say the least. Coaching is a very different animal than being a glorified baby sitter. What makes a great player is often detrimental to being a great coach.

Klinky · Post #23 » by **Klinky** » Thu May 8, 2008 8:17 pm

I would not see him doing it unless he felt he would have as much chance of success at coaching as he did as a player. Being in the background keeps his legacy intact. His second comeback did end in "failure", but no one really remembers his time on the Wizards that much. They mainly remember his Bulls era. If he came back and coached a mediocre team that kept losing out in the playoffs for 10 - 20 years that would more than likely tarnish his legacy, possibly even outweighing his achievements. He'd look like a washed up coach trying to relive his glory and constantly failing at it. I think he'd also find it difficult to put the ball in someone else's hands and be helpless to help out. He was one who liked to takeover games and make clutch plays. Trusting in someone else to knock down those big plays is something I can't really see him enjoying.

So I would find it very doubtful he ever coaches an NBA team, ever.

2poor · Post #24 » by **2poor** » Thu May 8, 2008 8:35 pm

Happyfoosball wrote:Jordans would never succeed as a coach for the same reason Magic Johnson didn't. They expect their players to work as hard as they did and it just doesn't happen.

+1

Alex_De_Large · Post #25 » by **Alex_De_Large** » Fri May 9, 2008 1:29 am

Didn't Larry Bird succeed as a coach?

BRINGTHEPAIN · Post #26 » by **BRINGTHEPAIN** » Fri May 9, 2008 9:56 am

Alex_De_Large wrote:Didn't Larry Bird succeed as a coach?

Yep he was the best coach but don't tell anyone here, or they might have a logical thought :wink:

Bgil · Post #27 » by **Bgil** » Fri May 9, 2008 9:59 am

Alex_De_Large wrote:Didn't Larry Bird succeed as a coach?

Larry Bird is completely different from Jordan. Bird also had great assistants to cover his ass too.

BRINGTHEPAIN · Post #28 » by **BRINGTHEPAIN** » Fri May 9, 2008 10:30 am

Jordan is the only player ever to have a higher basketball IQ than Larry Bird. I think that was most evident when Washington were 26-21 with a line-up of Popeye Jones, Michael Jordan, Jahidi White, Hamilton, Whitney after starting the season 2-12. The Wizards even defeated the Kings @ Sacramento and at the All-star break the favorites for MVP were Kidd, Jordan and Duncan. If not for Jordan's knee tendinitis that team was going to the playoffs with a top 4 seed. Jordan missed 20 games down the stretch and the Wizards lost nearly all of them. The strange thing is that Jordan played all 82 games (and 37 minutes per game) the following season, but after trading Hamilton for Stackhouse and signing Larry Hughes all chemistry had been lost.

Post #29 » by **Slava** » Fri May 9, 2008 10:31 am

MJ's man management is terrible. He'd rather stay as a part owner than be actively involved in coaching/management.

Post #30 » by **snaquille oatmeal** » Fri May 9, 2008 2:43 pm

you know what they say, "those who can't play teach, and those that can play".

Bgil · Post #31 » by **Bgil** » Fri May 9, 2008 3:11 pm

Jordan is the only player ever to have a higher basketball IQ than Larry Bird.

Now, I doubt you remember seeing Jordan or Bird play on a daily basis.

RJM · Post #32 » by **RJM** » Fri May 9, 2008 4:04 pm

BRINGTHEPAIN wrote:Jordan is the only player ever to have a higher basketball IQ than Larry Bird. I think that was most evident when Washington were 26-21 with a line-up of Popeye Jones, Michael Jordan, Jahidi White, Hamilton, Whitney after starting the season 2-12. The Wizards even defeated the Kings @ Sacramento and at the All-star break the favorites for MVP were Kidd, Jordan and Duncan. If not for Jordan's knee tendinitis that team was going to the playoffs with a top 4 seed. Jordan missed 20 games down the stretch and the Wizards lost nearly all of them. The strange thing is that Jordan played all 82 games (and 37 minutes per game) the following season, but after trading Hamilton for Stackhouse and signing Larry Hughes all chemistry had been lost.

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KNICKS1970 · Post #33 » by **KNICKS1970** » Fri May 9, 2008 4:18 pm

Alex_De_Large wrote:Didn't Larry Bird succeed as a coach?

True, but he also landed in a great situation: a good, experienced playoff team that got sick of the inevitable Larry Brown's drama. He was smart enough to surround himself with great basketball people.

I don't think Jordan could succeed as a coach, mainly because even 5 years after his retirement, he still has the mentality that he's more capable of getting things done than the players on the court. Being a coach takes a lot of patience. Like a lot of great players, Jordan has virtually no patience with anyone who doesn't perform up to his standards.

Jordan was virtually a player-coach during his second tenure with the Bulls, but that worked because 1.) he was surrounded by good, experienced teammates who were there solely to win 2.) he was capable of carrying his team for long stretches and even entire games 3.) his coach (Phil Jackson) was the yang to his ying. Phil was the mediator and Jordan was the drill sergeant of that team.

The reason his tenure as a player for the Wizards didn't work as well was because it was a young, inexperienced team, he was no longer capable of carrying his team for entire games, and Doug Collins was basically Jordan's lackey, not his equal.

If Jordan wanted to be a successful coach, there would have to be a Phil Jackson-type as his #2, it would have to be on a team with experience, and he would have to dedicate himself to coaching like he did to playing, which he hasn't done as a GM or part-owner.

Bgil · Post #34 » by **Bgil** » Fri May 9, 2008 4:22 pm

Jordan was virtually a player-coach during his second tenure with the Bulls,

Coach in the "lead-by example and set the tone" sense not the X's and O's sense. According to Phil and Tex, Scottie was basically the team's on-court strategist.

KNICKS1970 · Post #35 » by **KNICKS1970** » Fri May 9, 2008 4:56 pm

Bgil wrote:
Jordan was virtually a player-coach during his second tenure with the Bulls,

Coach in the "lead-by example and set the tone" sense not the X's and O's sense. According to Phil and Tex, Scottie was basically the team's on-court strategist.

True, which is basically what Bird did in his first year as HC. Bird, however, put in the work and became a fairly effective Xs and Os coach by the time they made the Finals in 2000. I just don't see MJ putting in that effort though, he was the undisputed hardest working basketball player in the league in his prime, but he's probably the laziest GM in the league right now.

Hard2dhole · Post #36 » by **Hard2dhole** » Fri May 9, 2008 5:11 pm

I forsee a series of tragic events if Jorad was ever a head coach:
1. MJ is announced as the HC of some garbage over the cap team with no talent and less prospects.
2. MJ promises the impossible to the media.
3. MJ begins to belittle his players during no just practices but actual games and is caught on tape doing so.
4. Players start dissing him to the media.
5. Repeat 3 and 4 until it boils over.
6. someone physically assaults another
7. Jordans legacy is further tarnished.

Retrolock · Post #37 » by **Retrolock** » Fri May 9, 2008 5:15 pm

Hard2dhole wrote:I forsee a series of tragic events if Jorad was ever a head coach:
1. MJ is announced as the HC of some garbage over the cap team with no talent and less prospects.
2. MJ promises the impossible to the media.
3. MJ begins to belittle his players during no just practices but actual games and is caught on tape doing so.
4. Players start dissing him to the media.
5. Repeat 3 and 4 until it boils over.
6. someone physically assaults another
7. Jordans legacy is further tarnished.

Are you a Jazz fan? Figures.

I think I've read somewhere that even Jordan didn't want to coach a team.