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New Jazzy Nets wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
The Jazz on average get to the line 28 times a game. thats 2nd only to the nuggets who get there nearly 31 times. No reason the jazz shouldnt be going to the line more times.
Bgil wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
That's what kills me about you guys.... you're all assuming that the only fairly called game is one in which both teams shoot similar amounts of free-throws. It's like it never even crosses a Jazz fan's mind that the Jazz are actually fouling more and playing rougher than the Lakers. On offense the Jazz are actually running plays specifically to get mid-range jumpshots while the Lakers almost always try to get to the basket.
The games are being called evenly, the Jazz are just fouling a lot more.
No one wants to break down the tape and point out unfair officiating just bitch about the free-throw disparity that is entirely caused by the style of play of our respective teams (on offense and defense).
It
s not going to be any better in Utah. The refs aren't going to let you guys maul us just because your team can't play clean. Even your coach commented on your lack of clean play.
rhp1990 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
So if a team averaged 20FT's a game does that mean they HAVE to shoot close to 20FT's?
xstockholmsyndromex wrote:I think the thing that Lakers fans are just not understanding is this:
I wont argue that the Jazz are committing many of those fouls...not all...there are some absolute BS calls, but the Jazz are commiting "fouls". The problem is, the Lakers are committing the same kind of fouls...i.e. touch fouls on the permiter, push in the back underneath, fouls when our guys...namely D-Will drive to the hoop, but they just arent being called. I think the only thing Jazz fans are asking for is a fair and unbiased job by the refs. If they want to call Brewer for the touch fouls on Kobe, then call them on our end of the court as well. If they are going to call Boozer for the push in the back under the hoop, call it on Odom and Gasol as well. If they did that, I guarantee there wouldnt be such a large FT disparity.
Bgil wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
That's what kills me about you guys.... you're all assuming that the only fairly called game is one in which both teams shoot similar amounts of free-throws. It's like it never even crosses a Jazz fan's mind that the Jazz are actually fouling more and playing rougher than the Lakers. On offense the Jazz are actually running plays specifically to get mid-range jumpshots while the Lakers almost always try to get to the basket.
The games are being called evenly, the Jazz are just fouling a lot more.
No one wants to break down the tape and point out unfair officiating just bitch about the free-throw disparity that is entirely caused by the style of play of our respective teams (on offense and defense).
It
s not going to be any better in Utah. The refs aren't going to let you guys maul us just because your team can't play clean. Even your coach commented on your lack of clean play.
erudite23 wrote:Lets cut the **** here. Boozer, for as good as he is scoring inside, has a remarkably low FT rate. He isn't the problem. In fact, if anything our fouls should go UP, since Millsap has a much higher FT rate than Boozer does, and he has spent much more time on the floor.
Not just that, but AK is among the league leaders in FT per FGA. Deron Williams is near the top of the league among PGs in FTAs per FG, and Matt Harpring is a FT shooting MF.
So cut the ****.
The Jazz--aside from a few lapses, most notably the 2nd quarter in game 1--have gone to the hoop just fine. We are dominanting the PIP battle this game. Most of Kobe's FTs have come from ticky tack slaps and pulls on the perimeter.
This isn't just a numbers game. I watched Millsap get bitch slapped in the back of the head on a rebound by Jordan Farmar in the 4th quarter of last game, and get sent sprawling to the floor....meanwhile, the Lakers are running back the other way for a transition bucket.
I don't like blaming refs. Its a sad way to defend your team, and a crutch for the pathetic losers in life to justify themselves in their ineptitude. I don't usually do it, and I hate that I am having this convo right now. But its a problem in the NBA. I don't know if its directly from Stern. If its a lack of competence on the referees part, or if its just that damn hard to call a basketball game fairly. But no one can deny that this is a huge problem. It ruins the games, from a fans perspective. I don't know what else to say.
The Jazz definitely were outplayed in each of the last two games. I won't say that we deserved to lose, necessarily, but I can't say with confidence that we deserved to win, either. Could we have won if the refs didn't give the Lakers so much of a boost? Maybe, but probably not.
BUT, were the referees a HUGE factor in the outcome of the games.
YES.
Cut the **** says the guy who is so flustered that he is resorting to FT per FGA stats. I've never even heard someone refer to that before. Also, LOL at Harpring being a "free throw shooting MF" who shoots a staggering 2.7 ft per game on the season. I can't wait to hear what you come up with next. idajazz wrote:he is spot on.
explain how it it is that the jazz dominate Points in the paint and still get raped on foul calls?
erudite23 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
Is that why the Jazz have OUTSCORED YOU IN THE PAINT for two consecuvite games? What a **** joke.
Not just that, but AK is among the league leaders in FT per FGA. Deron Williams is near the top of the league among PGs in FTAs per FG, and Matt Harpring is a FT shooting MF.
Most of Kobe's FTs have come from ticky tack slaps and pulls on the perimeter.
