Sixers Need a Rashard Lewis type

ZigZag · Post #1 » by **ZigZag** » Sat May 10, 2008 4:16 pm

Despite how most ppl on this board feel, I like Thad at the PF. He is more atheletic than most pf's he defends exteremely well and if he's getting posted by a bigger guy he pokes the ball away as soon as he puts it on the floor. I dont think i want him at SF cuz you have iggy there and puttin Thad at SF and Igudola at this point at SG would kill us cuz neither one has a consistent J.

So to remedy this i say you get a big Shooting SF. A guy who can score but is atheletically enough to play atleast decent defense. A toni Kukoc or rashard lewis type that could play both PF and SF. Ideally we would be better off with Danilo Gallenari but he wont be available so.....

Insert DONTE GREEN! I think he's got what we need perimeter wise as well as adding some more height to our front court... you could pair this guy with either thad or reggie and not be offensively handicapped. I say we get him...if not him I say Jason Thompson as he's quick and atheletic rebounds and block shots. and he can score...he avg 20 and 10 in 2 consecutive seasons.

But I really would like Donte Green because he complements Thad and iggy well and answers our shooting woes, without loosing on the defensive end.

SendEm · Post #2 » by **SendEm** » Sat May 10, 2008 4:24 pm

Thad is not a PF sorry. The NBA doesn't have great depth in tall low post players that can post up Thad and make him look like the slender 6'8" SF that he is. But the reality is that the teams AT THE TOP will ALWAYS have these sorts of dominant low post players like D. Howard, Tim Duncan, Gasol etc. etc. etc. Mismatches will continually be created with picks isolating Thad on one of those beasts, or if Thad ever needs to provide double team or help defense on one of them, because Dalembert is getting abused, his 6'8" frame will not be long enough to stop the dominant C/PF from making the play, be it a pass or score. There's a reason why Phoenix never won with Marion at PF.

Post #3 » by **tk76** » Sat May 10, 2008 4:33 pm

+1. the Sixers can only go so far with Thad as a full time PF.

I don't mind giving him minutes their if we can exploit the match-up, but it doesn't look to be a long term answer.

ZigZag · Post #4 » by **ZigZag** » Sat May 10, 2008 4:38 pm

SendEm wrote:Thad is not a PF sorry. The NBA doesn't have great depth in tall low post players that can post up Thad and make him look like the slender 6'8" SF that he is. But the reality is that the teams AT THE TOP will ALWAYS have these sorts of dominant low post players like D. Howard, Tim Duncan, Gasol etc. etc. etc. Mismatches will continually be created with picks isolating Thad on one of those beasts, or if Thad ever needs to provide double team or help defense on one of them, because Dalembert is getting abused, his 6'8" frame will not be long enough to stop the dominant C/PF from making the play, be it a pass or score. There's a reason why Phoenix never won with Marion at PF.

yea and phx went out and got a big "dominating center" and got knocked out the first round...

Height is overrated... yes he would have match up problems on the defensive side of the ball but he will also cause match up problems on the offense as ducan howard etc wont be able to guard him because of his quickness.

Thad played pretty well against Dyess and Maxiell and they are much bigger than him.

P.S. Dennis Rodman was 6'8" and shut ppl down on the defense... he was his best in detroit and san antonio.

Besides who can stop Duncan Howard and these guys anyway??? One man can't stop em its a TEAM effort. Also you could also make the switch Defensively with Donte Green if they're giving Thad too much trouble. But Thad is awesome defensively. Even against Maxiell who is a beast.

ZigZag · Post #5 » by **ZigZag** » Sat May 10, 2008 4:47 pm

tk76 wrote:+1. the Sixers can only go so far with Thad as a full time PF.

I don't mind giving him minutes their if we can exploit the match-up, but it doesn't look to be a long term answer.

What do you mean? Marion did it for so long and he's even shorter. Plus you can't put Thad on the wing he cant shoot 3's...today nba wing players HAVE to have range. Thad can't shoot a j consistently beyond the Freethrow Line.

Besides if Thad's getting pounded by a bigger forward you got reggie evans. But this time if we have Donte Green with thad goes out we dont lose offense because Donte Green can score. I can really seeing this work.

you bring in some big body he not gonna be able to run which is what we do... and you stuck with a fat slug who cant move. ala PHX. and plus no one person can stop TIM DUCAN!! or Dwight HOWARD!! lol

SendEm · Post #6 » by **SendEm** » Sat May 10, 2008 4:52 pm

ZigZag wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

yea and phx went out and got a big "dominating center" and got knocked out the first round...

Height is overrated... yes he would have match up problems on the defensive side of the ball but he will also cause match up problems on the offense as ducan howard etc wont be able to guard him because of his quickness.

Thad played pretty well against Dyess and Maxiell and they are much bigger than him.

P.S. Dennis Rodman was 6'8" and shut ppl down on the defense... he was his best in detroit and san antonio.

Besides who can stop Duncan Howard and these guys anyway??? One man can't stop em its a TEAM effort. Also you could also make the switch Defensively with Donte Green if they're giving Thad too much trouble. But Thad is awesome defensively. Even against Maxiell who is a beast.

You are possible the only person in the world that thought that Thad played well against Detroit's frontline. The consensus that I have seen/heard is that Thad played out of place, the Sixers needed a PF, but Thad is a talented SF and has a very bright future...Dennis Rodman has physical tools that Thad doesn't have like superior strength and an unmatched combination of timing/quick leaping ability. Perhaps a better example would have been using Charles Barkley who was 6'4"...Basketball isn't just simply about height. Thad doesn't play large enough to be a PF, Maxiell will tell you...

So do we wait for Thad to bulk up and see if he can LEARN to use his added strength? I suppose we commit to not having any shot at being a championship team in the process?

SendEm · Post #7 » by **SendEm** » Sat May 10, 2008 4:59 pm

It must mean NOTHING to ZigZag to see Thad get abused by the other teams PF/C. Thad would have to average 37ppg to offset the abuse he gets on the boards and down low by the other PF/C. Seeing Detroit have so many possessions where they had 2 or more offensive rebounds while Thad was at PF was disgusting. I am thrilled with Thad being a starter at SF and trading Iggy away for another player. But Thad at PF historically means we have no shot at winning a CHIP in the NBA.

UptownPhilly · Post #8 » by **UptownPhilly** » Sat May 10, 2008 5:17 pm

Thaddeus Young is best at SF. Leave it at that.

PhilasFinest · Post #9 » by **PhilasFinest** » Sat May 10, 2008 5:19 pm

its no way the answer for the 4 but im all for drafting Donte Green...
he can score and has range which we need... miller iggy thad d.green and dalembert would make for a dangerous lineup when playing to our strengths.

id rather see Speights because he fits what we "need" more but if not him,Green is the 2nd on my list and tthen Arthur.

SendEm · Post #10 » by **SendEm** » Sat May 10, 2008 5:54 pm

D.Green has the swagger of an NBA elite player, but...He looked like he could play with the big boys earlier in the season, then other times he just looked like a jump shooter make or miss and that's it. He shot .418% from the field in college at 6'10. No bueno...

freshie2 · Post #11 » by **freshie2** » Sat May 10, 2008 6:33 pm

If you can't get a dominant big man (which is very difficult) you need to get multiple quality big men. Thad can fill in at the 4 in certain situations, but can't be viewed as the answer at the 4. Outside of a big trade, the Sixers need to get 2 big men in the off season to take a step forward. If the Sixers enter next season with Evans and Smith being the 4th/5th bigs, the Sixers will have made some significant progress.

ZigZag · Post #12 » by **ZigZag** » Sat May 10, 2008 6:51 pm

SendEm wrote:It must mean NOTHING to ZigZag to see Thad get abused by the other teams PF/C. Thad would have to average 37ppg to offset the abuse he gets on the boards and down low by the other PF/C. Seeing Detroit have so many possessions where they had 2 or more offensive rebounds while Thad was at PF was disgusting. I am thrilled with Thad being a starter at SF and trading Iggy away for another player. But Thad at PF historically means we have no shot at winning a CHIP in the NBA.

Man you make yourself sound credible but u have no basketball iq. How do you compare Barkely to thad for when barkley was shorter and bulkier than thad??

Dennis Rodman in his ROOKIE season with det was 6'8" 210... and played PF and he played at that weight with San Antonio and that was when he was his best...

Thad is 6'8" 220...so he's playing the position a bit heavier than rodman did. Thad is the same breed as rodman when it comes to playing the pf position at this size. He can do it. I didn't say maxiell didn't abuse him a bit but maxiell abuses a lot of guys ...ask dwight howard...he's a big tough guy. But my point is he held his own and was certainly a lot more effective than evans. And if you pair him with another big like Donte Green or Jason Thompson his shortcomings in other areas are hidden and you can switch the defensive assignments with another big. Or put evans and still have offense on the floor with Donte.

The other thing you seem to not get is that realisticly who can you possibly draft at the number 16 pick that can stop Howard, Duncan, etc?? WHO?? atleast get some scoring and a perimeter shooting who can atleast stay in front of his defender...

Who you think we gonna get from FA??? The Heat have capspace too...You think Brand or JO gonna really come to philly? when they can be in sunny HOT CHICKS EVERYWHERE miami??

Come on man.... :crazy:

freshie2 · Post #13 » by **freshie2** » Sat May 10, 2008 6:56 pm

Thad's not a Rodman type player. Just b/c they have the same ht/wt doesn't mean they are the same type of player.

ZigZag · Post #14 » by **ZigZag** » Sat May 10, 2008 7:04 pm

They are the same type physically is what im trying to say. But Thad defensively is not far from Rodman back then. Only difference is that Rodman had awesome timing for blocking shots and was a better rebounder than thad...

But thad can learn to be a better rebounder... Rodman also had a knack for poking away the ball when a bigman put it on the floor...Thad is extremely good at that. There are a lot of similarites between the too but Thad is so much more talented offensively... but i would compare rodmans game more to someone like Josh Smith than Thad. But I strongly believe he can play 4. Full time? no way not against duncan or howard but in the east there's not many guys u have to worry about.

Also we are a fastbreak team not a half court team...so going out and getting a "post presence" may not suit us well if he cant run. In this league your identity is either 3pt team, fastbreak team, or half court team....we are a fastbreak team...you can't be a fastbreak team and a halfcourt team...you either one or the other. Ask phx how it went when they traded Marion for a "post presence". You stick to what you do or you change the make up of the team. You cant be a run team and a halfcourt offense out the post team.

Post #15 » by **Sixerscan** » Sat May 10, 2008 7:19 pm

Chris Douglas-Roberts is about the same body type as Michael Jordan, so let's just sign him and tell him to lead us to 6 championships.

Thad doesn't have Rodman's crazy, very few individuals that aren't in hospitals right now do.

ZigZag · Post #16 » by **ZigZag** » Sat May 10, 2008 7:36 pm

lol.

thad can play D! your askin him to play the wing and he cant even shoot. He can create down low.

Its not even about keeping him down there full time but you adjust like we did this year with matchups and stick evans in. Im just saying lets get a perimeter player cuz i dont think any bigman at 16 could help us in the immediate future.

SendEm · Post #17 » by **SendEm** » Sat May 10, 2008 7:43 pm

No one is asking Thad to "play the wing." We just don't want him "guarding the post." Thad will be a post up SF. If anything his existence makes it easy to find a PF because the PF can be like the rest of the modern era 4's that like to play on the perimeter. Thad and Dirk would be PERFECT. Thad and Frye would be nice.

CPops57 · Post #18 » by **CPops57** » Sat May 10, 2008 8:26 pm

Ideally, I think Thad becomes the SF & part-time PF.

I think Thad certainly could be a good starting PF. He's got a knack for getting offensive rebounds and good touch inside.

But I think he could be a spectacular starting SF because he's going to be physically dominant against his SF counterpart almost every single night.

PS: What's the deal with the red text?

ZigZag · Post #19 » by **ZigZag** » Sun May 11, 2008 2:15 am

I dunno i started it awhile back look at all my post lol. Its a trademark for me...makes me feel "special" lol

ZigZag · Post #20 » by **ZigZag** » Sun May 11, 2008 2:19 am

SendEm wrote:No one is asking Thad to "play the wing." We just don't want him "guarding the post." Thad will be a post up SF. If anything his existence makes it easy to find a PF because the PF can be like the rest of the modern era 4's that like to play on the perimeter. Thad and Dirk would be PERFECT. Thad and Frye would be nice.

This is why you draft someone like Donte Green tho he's more of a 3 then a 4 but he's big at 6'10"