Now that Walsh has taken over Knicks

[S.I.C. GM]

Now that Walsh has:

-Signed D'Antoni Offense first, Put it up in 7 Secs, Player Coach.

-Publicly said that He wants to Entertain the Fans

-been interested in aquiring VC before.

Do you guys think VC to NY can resurface?

Dolan also seemed to want VC before.

[Serpo]

Unless the Knicks pick is included there's nothing on the Knicks roster I would want on the team and i seriosly doubt he's stupid enough to deal the pick like Isiah has been.

[halfHAVOC]

yea man unless they get like a damn top 3 draft pick i dont want to give up VC for pieces from NY.

[Da big3]

yea man unless they get like a damn top 3 draft pick i dont want to give up VC for pieces from NY.

yea unless they do this trade

marbury
randolph
curry'
lee
robinson
balkman
crawford
chandler
richardson
rose

we should allow some of them to come to training camp

actually nevermind.....

[deviljets7]

Now that Walsh has:

-Signed D'Antoni Offense first, Put it up in 7 Secs, Player Coach.

-Publicly said that He wants to Entertain the Fans

-been interested in aquiring VC before.

Do you guys think VC to NY can resurface?

Dolan also seemed to want VC before.

While you make some very valid points, Walsh has also stated publicly, that he wants to get under the cap in 2010. Adding Carter only makes that goal that much more difficult unless Zach Randolph was a part of the trade

[NYKBaller]

Vince is injury prone and old, its not happening. Im not trolling just would fit into the rebuilding philosophy, thats an isiah thomas move

[Birth of the Cool]

Now that Walsh has:

-Signed D'Antoni Offense first, Put it up in 7 Secs, Player Coach.

-Publicly said that He wants to Entertain the Fans

-been interested in aquiring VC before.

Do you guys think VC to NY can resurface?

Dolan also seemed to want VC before.

but S.I.C. you complain VC doesn't fit with a fastbreak system and that he no longer dunks (or is any good) so you have previously nullified your first two reasons why Knicks would want VC but I guess you can change your positions to validate any reason to ship him out...

Vince is injury prone and old, its not happening. Im not trolling just would fit into the rebuilding philosophy, thats an isiah thomas move

VC has played in 73 / 76 / 82 / 72 games the last four seasons...how again is that "injury prone" ?

I'll agree with your other point that it makes absolutely no sense for NY Knicks to trade for VC if they are indeed finally deciding to do what they should have done long ago & dump salary & rebuild.

I think this next season for the Nets is where they (Mgmt) have to really assess this team and see if they can work with it going forward or blow it up from players to coach. No more "next season" excuses.

Anyways I wonder if Mark Jackson will interest elsewhere. If he's still around and Nets get off to a slow start.....

[Clincher]

Now that Walsh has:

-Signed D'Antoni Offense first, Put it up in 7 Secs, Player Coach.

-Publicly said that He wants to Entertain the Fans

-been interested in aquiring VC before.

Do you guys think VC to NY can resurface?

Dolan also seemed to want VC before.

It was Isiah who was interested in Carter before, not Walsh.

I love VC though as a Knick fan, just dont think hes worth a top 3-5 pick like some of you are saying.

[deviljets7]

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It was Isiah who was interested in Carter before, not Walsh.

I love VC though as a Knick fan, just dont think hes worth a top 3-5 pick like some of you are saying.

As a Nets fan, I agree that Carter is not worth a top 3-5 pick.

Part of the problem with the Knicks is that there aren't a lot of pieces that have value. From a pure value standpoint I'd do Carter for Lee and expirings (though I doubt many Knick fans would go for it), but Boone's a pretty similiar player IMO so I don't know how well they truly fit. The other young players (Chandler, Robinson, Balkman) just don't have the value to justify dealing Vince. I also can't see NJ having any interest in trading Vince for inferior players with long term contracts (see Randolph, Curry and Crawford).

[Universe]

I'd trade him for Crawford and young guys but not worth any good pick.

Celtics did trade away their fifth for Ray Allen and Bobcats got rid of Richardson for Wright so it's not out of range.

[S.I.C. GM]

but S.I.C. you complain VC doesn't fit with a fastbreak system and that he no longer dunks (or is any good) so you have previously nullified your first two reasons why Knicks would want VC but I guess you can change your positions to validate any reason to ship him out...

Actually I didnt nulify my first two points.

Change my positon to validate any reason to ship him out? Damn, It was only a suggestion buddy.

First, I said offense first. VC is an offensive player first. I interpreted shoot the ball in the first 7 secs as shoot the ball if you are open forget plays. VC is clearly good for that - 3pt heaves 10 ft from the 3 pt line. Player Coach is what it is.

Second, we know that with VC entertaining isnt only dunking. All those acrobatic circus shots are also entertaining arent they, buddy. In NY entertaining also means STAR caliber. Forget winning we have a STAR.

Hey Birth I dont want to burst your bubble. You do know there is a possibility VC might get traded. You never know. Things happen. I hope you still dont believe in Santa Claus, too.

[S.I.C. GM]

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It was Isiah who was interested in Carter before, not Walsh.

I love VC though as a Knick fan, just dont think hes worth a top 3-5 pick like some of you are saying.

Actually the rumor was that once Zeke got reassigned that Dolan would revisit a VC trade.

There was also a rumor that Walsh would like to aquire VC.

They were rumors, but who really knows the truth.

[S.I.C. GM]

Though I doubt this happens, but

Marbury + #5 pick (if they dont move up)
for
VC, #21 pick, Nachbar (rumor he wouldnt mind playing for D'Ant)

EDIT: I thought the #10 pick might be too much.

I doubt walsh is stupid to not let Marbuy's contract expire and trade the #5 pick, but If dolan wants VC you never know.

Let Marbury stay home we get that cap relief. With the #5 pick, draft the best player that we think will make a difference. We can also try to package players to go after Melo.

[Birth of the Cool]

Hey S.I.C. GM

I know there is a possibility that VC gets traded. You're a bad team, no one should be safe but I don't find these recent trades (with NY Knicks, Barbosa, Melo) to be realistic/feasible/reasonable and that's when I reply.

I'm all for VC being traded if Nets want to completely rebuild (which Thorn said he doesn't) or if they get a similar player (no Melo can't play SG, and no RJ can't move over to play SG) like Joe Johnson (but with his youth why would Atlanta even take the phone call) but I'd like to see trades that make sense in what NJ Mgmt is trying to do and I don't see it, I just see trades involving VC for the sake of getting rid of him without caring much for impact on the Nets organization.

Again, Knicks would have absolutely no interest in VC due to his age/contract and Knicks rebuilding situation.

I think I just read someone saying Crawford...I mean, c'mon..Crawford !

[MrDollarBills]

Why in god's name would you want to make any trades for Marbury?

Cap space for who????

Lebron James is not coming here if this team is absolute garbage by the time for his free agency, all of these suggestions to make the team worse and clear cap room are futile fantasies in my humble opinion.

[S.I.C. GM]

Why in god's name would you want to make any trades for Marbury?

Cap space for who????

Lebron James is not coming here if this team is absolute garbage by the time for his free agency, all of these suggestions to make the team worse and clear cap room are futile fantasies in my humble opinion.

You like to jump the gun too much Dolla Bills.

08-09
#5 pick - depending who falls Gordon, Gallinari, B. Lopez, Bayless
#10 pick - depending who falls

09-10 - with CAP RELIEF
Brand(healthy) - 7-10 mil over _ yrs
James Jones - MLE

Line up
Harris
James Jones
RJ
Brand
Whoever
Bench
Gordon, Gallinari, B. Lopez, Batum, Love and/or etc..
Boone, Swill, M. Will, and whoever

10-11 with cap relief
Go after Lebron and Wade HARD. Offer them whatever they want. Even consider Bosh.
With our lineup Wade would make more sense, but if the Lebron wants to come here, there is no quesiton you take Lebron.

Line up
Harris
Lebron or Wade
RJ
Brand
Whoever
Bench
Gordon, Gallinari, B. Lopez, Batum, Love and/or etc..
James Jones, Boone, Swill, M. Will, and whoever

I might be off on the numbers, but i think with Kiki and Thorn with the cap relief it doesnt mean we cant get Wade or lebron.

[MrDollarBills]

I understand that, i just think that Wade or James won't even sniff in this direction regardless of the cap room if we don't have the tools to be a winner already in place when it comes time for them to start thinking about what teams they'd like to play for.

[Rich Rane]

I understand that, i just think that Wade or James won't even sniff in this direction regardless of the cap room if we don't have the tools to be a winner already in place when it comes time for them to start thinking about what teams they'd like to play for.

This is generally how rebuilding is done. You suck for a certain amount of time and rebuild through high picks in the draft until your big contracts are gone through expirings or traded for young talent/picks/expirings. When you have a good amount of young talent, you wisely start throwing money to free agents to get you over the top, whether it's Lebron, Melo, Wade, or some young role player who may turn into a star by that year looking for money. Rebuilding can take 2 seasons or 12 seasons. A team in rebuilding needs a smart and patient Front Office and a lot of luck signing someone big.

The way we are now, we're positioned for absolutely nothing. No money to sign big names and possible draft picks within 10-20 over the next two or so years with no moves. Since we're under the cap, we also aren't given an MLE, which isn't even a difference maker anyway. We virtually have no marketing assets for any player to come here in both star power and location. What would give us just a little bit of leverage is the ability to shell out the cash, because money talks. Whenever you have the ability to offer a free agent his price even if it means overpaying, there's absolutely no doubt he'll listen. To have that ability, we need to rebuild.

[lurkingobeiscity]

You like to jump the gun too much Dolla Bills.

08-09
#5 pick - depending who falls Gordon, Gallinari, B. Lopez, Bayless
#10 pick - depending who falls

09-10 - with CAP RELIEF
Brand(healthy) - 7-10 mil over _ yrs
James Jones - MLE

Line up
Harris
James Jones
RJ
Brand
Whoever
Bench
Gordon, Gallinari, B. Lopez, Batum, Love and/or etc..
Boone, Swill, M. Will, and whoever

10-11 with cap relief
Go after Lebron and Wade HARD. Offer them whatever they want. Even consider Bosh.
With our lineup Wade would make more sense, but if the Lebron wants to come here, there is no quesiton you take Lebron.

Line up
Harris
Lebron or Wade
RJ
Brand
Whoever
Bench
Gordon, Gallinari, B. Lopez, Batum, Love and/or etc..
James Jones, Boone, Swill, M. Will, and whoever

I might be off on the numbers, but i think with Kiki and Thorn with the cap relief it doesnt mean we cant get Wade or lebron.

Way, way, way, off on the numbers. For one, Brand will get a max extension and be fully deserving of it as well.

After the 09/10 season Boone and Marcus Williams will count somewhere around 6 million against the cap each until they are either renounced (we choose not to sign them back), signed back at a different price, or signed to an offer sheet. Whoever is drafted at #5 would be getting about 4 million by then. The 10th and 21st combined would probably be another 4 million. That's about 40 million for RJ, Harris, Boone, S Williams, #5, #10, and #21 (I figure Marcus would just be let go).

The cap is going to go up by around 10 million dollars higher by this time, if recent trends continue, which would set the cap at about 65 million. To sign Lebron to a max contract (30% of the cap for a player 7 years into the league) is going to cost between 19 and 20 million dollars. That would put the Nets at about 60 million... 5 million below the cap NOT COUNTING any free agents signed between now and then or any draft picks beyond this current draft.

If Jefferson was also dealt off for cap room and talented players on rookie contracts through 10/11 season (Sean Williams rookie class or later) it would cut costs a lot and give the team a ton of flexibility for a rebuild aimed at this free agency. With an up and coming PG in place already as well as a couple of big men who can play key roles, they would only need to hit on a couple of draft picks at SG/SF and PF/C over the next three years of drafts in which they will likely be picking high and will have ammo to move around and get the guys they want.

[jerseycarter15]

Though I doubt this happens, but

Marbury + #5 pick (if they dont move up)
for
VC, #21 pick, Nachbar (rumor he wouldnt mind playing for D'Ant)

EDIT: I thought the #10 pick might be too much.

I doubt walsh is stupid to not let Marbuy's contract expire and trade the #5 pick, but If dolan wants VC you never know.

Let Marbury stay home we get that cap relief. With the #5 pick, draft the best player that we think will make a difference. We can also try to package players to go after Melo.

How about NO