The big question: Rose or Beasley

[miamiballer]

I don't know why people have been brainswashed, that you need a driver and a shooter. Lets looks at Isiah Thomas, and Joe Dumars, one of the best backcourts Joe was a bit better shooter, but not out this world shooter.

Wade with a healthy summer off, over the years usually improves his shot, Derrick Rose is 19 years old, and improved his shot during the span of a College season. Rose shot will not be the liability as people make it out to be.


The thing with everyone here forgets, great players that know how to play winning basketball, are the one's the win. Wade through most of his career has been a winner. Rose besides his injured ridden overtime in the title game has shown he plays winning basketball.

Some are assuming that Beasley will be able to duplicate what he did vs College duds, vs the pros. Will see about that, but I don't think his game and size will translate as well in the Pros, as it did in College. Also take into account Beasley didn't really play winning basketball, of using his team to win. He played more of stat individual basketball, great teams win in the end of the day not individuals. Just look to Iverson and Carmelo Anthony how just being all about me, doesn't transfer to winning vs good teams in the Playoffs.

Rose and Wade with a good mix of talent around them, could really create a winning basketball identity, that if the Heat missed out on. We could be a team of mediocrity for many years to come.

you seem so sure that beasley is the next antawn jamison (which is not that bad) and that rose is the next chris paul

but what if beasley is the next amare/dirk and rose is the next antonio daniels

[DayofMourning]

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you seem so sure that beasley is the next antawn jamison (which is not that bad) and that rose is the next chris paul

but what if beasley is the next amare/dirk and rose is the next antonio daniels

Nice.

[tessai]

Ira thinks we will take Rose #1...

Following up on Sunday's lottery preview, there is a sense here that the Heat has its four options lined up when it comes to draft prospects.



Should the Heat land the first pick, the thought remains that Derrick Rose is the choice. Yes, many scouts continue to point to Michael Beasley as the superior talent, but just about every team at the top of the lottery is in greater need of a point guard (which, perhaps, is the reason they're at the top of the lottery in the first place).



At No. 2, the Heat would take the leftover between Rose and Beasley, who still would work out nicely. If the Celtics can make it work with Rajon Rondo at point guard with Garnett, Pierce and Allen, then the Heat could get by at the point with a second-tier talent alongside Beasley, Wade and Marion.



At No. 3, the sense is Pat Riley might prefer Stanford center Brook Lopez, while others on his staff see a point guard of the future in Arizona's Jerryd Bayless.



At No. 4, the lowest it could fall in the lottery, the Heat likely would take whichever player remains among Rose, Beasley, Lopez and Bayless.



After consultation with scouts and other draft sources, the sense is the Heat could find value in both Lopez and Bayless, with center and point guard not only two of the most difficult positions to fill, but also two of need.



Yes, Rose and Beasley, in some order, remain the Nos. 1 and 1A choices for the Heat. But Lopez and Bayless, at Nos. 2 and 2A, hardly should be considered booby prizes.

http://blogs.sun-sentinel.com/sports_basketball_heat/

[DayofMourning]

Good stuff.

I don't like Lopez at that high of a pick. If we were outside the top ten then I'd say yes, but not in the top four.

I'm not sold on Bayless. We need a point, and I'm not sure Bayless gets it done there. I'd rather take Mayo.

Once again, I'd take Beasley for sure. He's just too good of a scorer and rebounder. Rose would be nice, but he's such a pass first mental player that I don't see him being the perfect compliment. Calderon is the prototype of what you'd want next to Wade IMO.

[Lane1974]

I think Joe Johnson is the perfect back court mate to Wade, or for a poorer man's version, Mike Miller

taller guys who can also handle semi-point guard duties who also shoot from outside

[Dome]

I'm not a Heat fan, just stepping by to see what you guys look to prefer in the draft.

If Miami wins the lottery, I say go with Beasley, hands down. I think Rose and Wade will have a bit of trouble sharing the ball while setting up plays, both are probably at their best with the ball in their hands. I think Beasley has a lot more potential as a running mate for Wade than Rose has.

I think a Beasley and Marion combo at SF and PF would work quite well. It would make Haslem expendable for trade I guess, and bring up a bit of a dilemma in whether or not to resign Dorell Wright. Nontheless, a decision on a franchise-type player goes before decisions on role-players, IMO.

[daniel3]

we are farked now
we are jinxed for sure

Man we are so picking #4 it isn't even funny . All these people acting like its some forgone conclusion that we have a shot at Beasley or Rose are fooling themselves.

[Lane1974]

[Wade2k6]

Alright say we get the first pick and draft Beasley.

You guys think Haslem is our starting C next year? In the East with the exception of Howard and KG (who light most everyone up anyway) , who couldn't Haslem guard?

Do we go with a group of....
C: Haslem
PF: Marion
SF: Beasley

yes, no?

[Lane1974]

STOP JINXING PEOPLE

[DayofMourning]

Alright say we get the first pick and draft Beasley.

You guys think Haslem is our starting C next year? In the East with the exception of Howard and KG (who light most everyone up anyway) , who couldn't Haslem guard?

Do we go with a group of....
C: Haslem
PF: Marion
SF: Beasley

yes, no?

Beasley is a star player who will most likely be a superior talent for the next ten years. I know we homers love Haslem, but why stunt MB's growth because of a 9 pt, 9 reb undersized PF with a penchant for getting every layup blocked?

Marion will most likely stay a SF as he has his entire career. I know that this league thrives off of 6'7" PFs, but since Marion has always been a SF I'd say we either keep him there or trade him at his highest marketability for some assets.

I'd say we should trade Marion, draft Beasley, and make Haslem one of the better backup PFs in the league. Starting to look like a winner with that lineup instead of pigeon-holing players into spots they don't fit into. A championship is the ultimate goal, not the Knicks.

[daniel3]

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Beasley is a star player who will most likely be a superior talent for the next ten years. I know we homers love Haslem, but why stunt MB's growth because of a 9 pt, 9 reb undersized PF with a penchant for getting every layup blocked?

Marion will most likely stay a SF as he has his entire career. I know that this league thrives off of 6'7" PFs, but since Marion has always been a SF I'd say we either keep him there or trade him at his highest marketability for some assets.

I'd say we should trade Marion, draft Beasley, and make Haslem one of the better backup PFs in the league. Starting to look like a winner with that lineup instead of pigeon-holing players into spots they don't fit into. A championship is the ultimate goal, not the Knicks.

Thats what I'm talking about playa!

starters: Duhon, Wade, Marion, Beasley, ?
bench: Banks, Cook, Wright, Haslem, Blount

[Wade2k6]

Yeah i guess you're right. I guess if he Heat havee the first pick and draft Beasley, the best spot for Haslem to be is at the bench. To be honest, I'd rather start Banks and have Quinn backup rather then sign Duhon. From what I've read from the Bulls board, he is a player that just pisses the majority of their fanbase off.

If we got Beasley I'd probably go hard after a C like Diop, Turiaf (someone of their calibur) and run with a team of...

C: Turiaf (4 Mill), Blount, Anthony
PF: Beasley, Haslem, Johnson
SF: Marion, Wright, Beasley
SG: Wade, Wright, Cook
PG: Banks, Carter, Quinn

Go after a backup PG with the 2 mill remaining like Anthony Carter..

PG would be a weak spot but I'd trust Riley to secure that position by the end of next summer..

[The Diesel]

If Zo comes back, Riley should take Rose. If he doesn't, he should take Beasley.

Plus, Riley has done a good job drafting in the lottery since he's been with the Heat.

He drafted Caron Butler and Dwyane Wade.

If Zo comes back, imagine this starting line-up next season.

Zo- C

Haslem- PF

Marion- SF

Wade- SG

Rose - PG

Scary team!

[Lane1974]

Don't make any decisions based on Zo, Zo is on a game to game basis at this point, not even a year to year basis.

Last season when he played he had some strong outings and some not so strong, at this stage of his career, anything he can give is a plus. His emotional lift and intensity is almost as important to the team that went in the toilet mentally during last season more than anything else he provides at this point.

[The Diesel]

According to Chad Ford, Riley wants Rose.

From his column today:

Word out of Miami right now is that Pat Riley has fallen head over heels for Rose and believes that a backcourt of Wade and Rose would be the most explosive in the NBA.

Taking Rose is the right decision.

[Flash3]

Chad Ford is as reliable as (I'll get back to you).

[Lane1974]

anyone who claims to know what Riley is thinking -- doesn't.

[The Diesel]

When it comes to the Draft, I trust Chad Ford more than anybody.

He's been with ESPN for a long time and I do trust his information.

Plus, this team needs Rose more than Beasley.

Rose would be a huge up-grade over J-Will and Quinn, and this team can play Haslem at C and play Marion at the PF.

There's no need for Beasley; and if Zo comes back, Haslem will play PF and Marion will play SF.

How can you pass on a Wade/Rose back-court?

Also, Chad says there are STILL character concerns about Beasley.

When you consider all the drama that happened this year because of Shaq, is Riley going to take a risk and go for a guy with character concerns like Beasley?

[Lane1974]

I don't see how Shaq's situation and Beasley's "character concerns" are analagous