Good Luck Billy Knight!!!

[Rip2137]

[quote="HoopsGuru25"]The only two games you can say Woodson solely lost was the game at Portland and the first game at Charlotte before the AS break. Just blaming any close loss we had on Woody isn't fair. There are also some games where he basically blew any chance we had at winning as well...the game at Utah where he decided to play the entire bench together at once late in the 3rd quarter when we had the lead...the "must win" game at New Jersey where he sat Joe with for almost the entire 3rd quarter after picking up his 3rd foul.
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Oh its alot more than those. I wasn't just picking close losses. I was picking games I remember horrid decisions that a highschool coach could make.

I forgot all about the New Jersey game where he sat Joe for that long.

But the Milwalkee game, Josh Smith finish with 38 points, but he sat and didn't get a play run for him much of the 4th quarter because Woody wanted to get the ball to Joe despite him having a HORRIBLE game. Thats just...dumb.

And was it the charlotte game where the team came back with Acie Law as the point, then he pulled him for a cold AJ who went on to turn the ball over twice and miss two wide open jumpers?

My point, he has lost quite a few games by pulling hot players in favor of cold ones, breaking up a group that goes on a big run (seriously, you go on a run, the other team calls a time out and you Sub out 3 of the players? What the hell?). Of course the 2 foul rule, and his bad sub pattern.

"This is a players league" is a cute little thing to say but this of course ignores why basically every MIP is on a team with a new coach. Utilizing a players strengths is something that is on coaches. You can say its a players league but if the offense calls for a non jumpshooter to be the outlet on offense and get the ball at the end of shot clocks, thats not the players fault. If Josh Smith only post up when he takes the ball down there himself, thats Woody's fault. Post him up.

And Josh, slowing down the clock with 10 minutes left is a moronic stragedy that cost us at least 4-5 games this year. even if you are going to argue that it is sound stragedy, when it NEVER works for your team, why keep doing it?

And no Acie wasn't amazing, but there were games where he clearly had the best effect on the players on the court, bringing up back in games, playing much better defense than any other guard, and would get pulled just because. And it wasn't just him. there were points where Marvin would be having a great game but it was chilldress time, so pull him...

You just can't ignore the bad play calling and bad substitution patterns and say that has no effect on wins or losses.

[JoshB914]

1) Smith scored 15 points in the fourth quarter of the Milwaukee game so that is simply incorrect. So no, Woody did not cost us that game and your facts are ismply wrong. In fact we ran a ton of plays for Smoove in that fourth quarter and let him go 1 on 1. I

2) Waht is that MIP comment? Most players get that award because they are put into a system that best suits them. That's not a coachign adjustment to the player so much as it is the player adjusting to the coach.

3) I did not see the Charlotte game but the play-by-play indicates that Law never was subbed out for AJ. But it was Lue who played alongside Law until 2:45 to play where he was replaced by Smoove. However, Smoove did foul out about a minute later and was replaced by AJ so I believe that is what you are actually talking about.

You said ten games, I'm yet to see any actual evidence (something based on actual facts) that proves your point. Again everyone will blame Woody, but there is no evidence to back up him losing us that many games.

His philosiphy cost us perhaps, but to say that our HC lost us ten games is just an excuse. It's the responsibility of the players on the floor to win games, that is why they get paid so much.

[CWell]

yeah Rip.It's obvious i'm no longer a Marvin fan but even I get mad when he gets pulled if he's playing well.That's not personall,that's HORRIBLE coaching.It doesn't matter to Woody,it's Childress time.

Look at all playoff teams.On offense never do all 5 players stay one place for more than a couple seconds.When the hawks play,they stand in the same place the whole possession watching Joe or whoever has the ball.It's pretty obvious how clueless Woody is when he always says something just takes care of itself.IDIOT,no it doesn't take care of itself.

[conleyorbust]

Most teams slow the game down when they are up 18. If the players on the floor play well we won't blow a lead like that no matter what pace we're playing at. Like I said, I can see the criticism of Woody here, but I just believe the lion's share of the blame (and credit) should go to the players.

I agree with you in principle, people seem to think that 29 teams have flawless coaching and therefore Woody's mistakes are magnified.

The above point I disagree with. The Suns or Warriors don't slow the game down if they are imposing their will and are up 18. Maybe up by 30 they will sub in the scrubs but coaches that have a real philosophy tend to stick to it if it is working.

The Pistons like to slow it down even more. They are good at that though. Same with a team like the Mavs or Hornets. The Hawks don't have the personnel to ever be truly successful like that.

[Sultanofatl]

It's tough to go back game by game, and I really can't do it at the moment do to time constraints. But, how many times did we not come out prepared......or "ready to play" as Woodson says? Refusing to put shooters in the game when the defense required an adjustment, poor play calling in the 4th resulting in 24 second violations, poor player foul management(the 2nd foul Woody rule)? All those are coaching issues. And I can adequately say we lost 10 games we should of won because of these. We also won at least 10 games that we had no business winning thru Joe's and other guys heroics. At the end of the day you are what you are. But, but a better coach could have gotten 42 wins out of this team.

[JoshB914]

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I agree with you in principle, people seem to think that 29 teams have flawless coaching and therefore Woody's mistakes are magnified.

The above point I disagree with. The Suns or Warriors don't slow the game down if they are imposing their will and are up 18. Maybe up by 30 they will sub in the scrubs but coaches that have a real philosophy tend to stick to it if it is working.

The Pistons like to slow it down even more. They are good at that though. Same with a team like the Mavs or Hornets. The Hawks don't have the personnel to ever be truly successful like that.

If we get Steve Nash or Baron Davis at the point then I'm all for running for 48 minutes.