Trade Idea: Marv to Cleveland

[betta1]

Trade ID #4589231

To ATL:
Sasha Pavlovic
Joe Smith
2008 1st Rounder

To Cleveland:
Marvin Williams
Zaza Pachulia

We get into the draft, a nice big in Joe and decent shooter off the bench in Sasha. Cavs get Marvin who needs a change of scenery most likely yet has loads of potential. Could be the 2nd guy after James in Cleveland eventually? Plus, loads of vet swingmen there like LBJ, Wally and Hughes for him to learn from. I think with some confidence and mentoring Marvin could get back on track one day. They also get a nice, young big in Zaza.

[HMFFL]

Horrible trade for Atlanta. We move a big with a friendly contract (4 million) and our young small forward for what exactly? Sasha Pavlovic and a late guaranteed $ first round pick? I don't like it and don't see how it really improves us.

[HoopsGuru25]

That's basically just doing a trade just for the hell of it.

[betta1]

You forgot about Joe Smith HMFFL. He produces much better than Zaza in less mpg. I feel we should move Marvin before he potentially loses even more value. Cleveland's pick isn't that bad (17th) and this draft is full of mid-level talent.

Maybe it's a matter of differing valuation scales we hold for Marvin and Zaza. I actually appreciate Zaza's passion and energy, but other than that I don't see us losing much nor risking much with a trade like this. Anyway, we have to be realistic in what we can actually expect in a trade for Marvin.

[Rip2137]

The Zaza/Joe Smith portion of it is a good trade. But then you are trading Marvin for Pavlovic...thats just not getting enough return.

I know people are low on marvin, but he sitll is a 15-6 guy. Sasha is a guy you can get for the league mininmum out of the summer league. he can sometimes hit threes....and thats about it...

[pja123]

I agree with HMFFL. Giving up Marvin in this deal is too much. We could at least get the 13th pick from Portland in exchange for Marvin. Hell, I personally believe we could get this deal done...

Hawks get:
#7 pick
Dan Gadzuric
Desmond Mason

Bucks get:
Marvin Williams
Zaza Pachulia

[trickydik]

marvin is still improving , i would atleast wait till midseason to see what we have in marvin , because each year he is getting better , so his value is going up.

the 7th pick in this year's draft is pretty good considering what is out there , i would love to get jordan with that pick and gadz and mason would be nice vet bench guys.

but i think it would be hard to give up marvin being we don't know how he will pan out.

but i don't think we need to do anything major right now , they are still young and they are still improving , we just need a couple minor adjustments

bring over DA
sign diop


and wait till midseason to see where we stand , i think that's the only 2 moves i would do for now.

Let our young guys grow more , i think marvin has the potential to be a 18 and 8 guy , and he's only 21 years old last i checked by 26 he could be a allstar.

[gurpilo]

What the hell are you all talking about? You don

[JoshB914]

What "star player" could we get for Smoove? I keep hearing this but the best deal we can all come up with is someone like Biedrins.

[gurpilo]

I really think Biedrins with another player as Kelenna Azubuike to provide outside shooting would be a great addition for the team. Biedrins has averaged 10,5 ppg, 9,8 rpg, 1,2 bpg while shooting ,62FG%!!!! at only 27mpg!!!. He was playing well on the West so he will do better on the East and he will make possible to move Horford to the PF while providing finally great post defense.

He had that numbers playing for a team wich playing style did not fit him. He is a young player and is still developing. Josh Smith is a tweener, he will never be a star PF and cannot play SF. The most he can reach is Jamison

[Rip2137]

How can you say Josh Smith will never bee a star power forward. 18-8-3 blocks and 2 steals at 22 years old means he won't be a star powerforward? And how many All-Star games does Jamison have to make for you to consider him a star PF?

And how does a PF playing center in Biedrins make us better than a PF playing Center in Horford? (not that I buy the whole "Horford is not a Center" stuff)

At the pace Golden State plays, there are more opportunities for rebounds in his 27mpg than Josh would get. Also, since he doesn't challenge as many shots, he is going to be in better position to get them.

Bidrens is a better rebounder, Smith is better offensively and defensively. Horford/Smith is better than Biedrins/Horford.

[gurpilo]

Josh Smith will never be a star PF unless he adds something to his game, he has no outside shooting (or low %FG at least), he has no post moves and does not create his own shot. He is not a good post defender in fact he waits the move to block the shot but does not stop the player from creating the play. On the other hand he is very athletic, runs well the floor, rebounds well and is growing an offensive game but does not dominate on the paint, that is the reason why he is not a star PF.

Jamison is a very good player but I do not consider him a star PF. As Smith he does not dominate on the paint, he is a scorer.

We already have a player that can be a star PF, Al Horford. He has great size for the position, post moves, good defense, all you can ask from a PF. Other players similar to Horford with obvius distances are Boozer, Bosh, Garnett, Wallace, West, Young Kenyon Martin, Jermaine O

[evildallas]

I think you are selling Josh Smith short. Josh Smith has shown the willingness to put in the work to add to his game. If that continues his shot will improve as will his post moves. He has shown some ability to create his own shot, although he could use some improvement on his handle. He's a tremendous athlete who by all accounts works hard and has a strong competitive drive. He does occasionally have lapses in concentration. He settles too often for bad shots. And he doesn't always seem to listen to the coaching staff.

I contend he has received the focused coaching and development he should have. The front office has over-drafted him twice (perhaps 3 times) since he got here rather than trying to fill in around him. Rather than be pushed aside by these higher picks it's Josh who looks like he could be a star. If the team had so little faith in him as a PF to draft the way they have then is it too much of stretch to believe they've not gone all out to bring in the best coaches to help his development?

[Rip2137]

Josh Smith will never be a star PF unless he adds something to his game, he has no outside shooting (or low %FG at least), he has no post moves and does not create his own shot. He is not a good post defender in fact he waits the move to block the shot but does not stop the player from creating the play. On the other hand he is very athletic, runs well the floor, rebounds well and is growing an offensive game but does not dominate on the paint, that is the reason why he is not a star PF.

He scores nearly all his points off shots he creates. basically everyone on the team besided Childress does and marvin in the late season (in the early season he was creating his own points). That is a flaw of the offense. He shouldn't HAVE to create his own points but he does. Alot. As for his post defense, he is a good post defender right now. Not great, but definately good....but just for the record...lets remember what you just said about a star PF.

Jamison is a very good player but I do not consider him a star PF. As Smith he does not dominate on the paint, he is a scorer.

You are saying that a two time All-star, 20-10 player is NOT a star PF. I think you need to change your definition.

We already have a player that can be a star PF, Al Horford. He has great size for the position, post moves, good defense, all you can ask from a PF. Other players similar to Horford with obvius distances are Boozer, Bosh, Garnett, Wallace, West, Young Kenyon Martin, Jermaine O

[Niko23]

As a Cleveland Fan......Im not sure I do this deal. Dont get me wrong.....Cleveland gets the better half of the deal IMO but if we are trading Sacha and our #1......we will also package some other pieces to obtain a legit allstar/shooter that can put up 20ppg to help LeBron.

Marvin is a good player but we are desperate in Cle to get another big time playmaker.

[Retrovision]

If i was a Cleveland fan I jump on it, The chance to get a young pure mid range jump shooter with great size and athleticisim that has estalibished him self to an extent in this league is a no brainer. Their is no way that your late draft pick will be any better.

[Niko23]

Marv does not put the Cavs over the top in terms of he is the missing piece to us winning a title. Dont get me wrong.....I dont believe Atlanta does this because we make out very well in the deal.....but we are looking for somone who puts us to the next level......ie Josh Smith anyone??? JK

[TheOUTLAW]

Isn't Marvin a SF? If so, I really don't see what the Cavs would need him for. I definitely don't see anything that'd make me give up our first (especially since they'd have to take on salary in this deal).

[HMFFL]

Mike Bibby to Cleveland sounds better at this point.

[They Call Me Cash]

More times than not, I wonder why the hell I continue to read this forum..

Why in the hell would we trade ANY of our starters (except Bibby) for anything less than an all-star caliber player or top pick in the draft?

JJ - no comment
Josh Smith - This is what I don't understand, ya'll talk about defense this and defense that.. the guy can bust out a 7+ block game at anytime, not to mention his work ethic, that alone in this league warrants him.. ahh man f*** it I don't even feel like replying anymore.. see ya'll next season.