Cammo's Newest Mock Draft (5/11)

[Cammo101]

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Since when is 6'5" with a solid build 'smallish'?

As for burst, no, he's not Wade or Kobe. But he's a better athlete than plenty of NBA SGs that have had success.

We will have to see if he is a legit 6'5'', because the jury is out on that. My point is simply that all these people assuming Mayo will walk into the NBA as an all star are ignoring a lot of signs and just focusing on hype.

[deeney0]

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I completely disagree. The better comparison is LaMarcus aldridge and Randy Foye. Lopez is better than Bogut and Mayo is nowhere near Paul.

I'd take Bogut over Lopez, and I don't like Bogut.

[ReasonablySober]

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We will have to see if he is a legit 6'5'', because the jury is out on that. My point is simply that all these people assuming Mayo will walk into the NBA as an all star are ignoring a lot of signs and just focusing on hype.

He was measured to be 6'5" last year at the Hoops Summit.

And nobody is saying he, or anyone, will walk into the NBA as an All-Star. But he's got good vision for a SG, can handle the ball, plays defense and has a great looking jump shot.

[pillwenney]

If Ibaka falls that far, I would be very disappointed if my Kings didn't pick him.

[Cammo101]

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He was measured to be 6'5" last year at the Hoops Summit.

And nobody is saying he, or anyone, will walk into the NBA as an All-Star. But he's got good vision for a SG, can handle the ball, plays defense and has a great looking jump shot.

He will be a good NBA player, don't get me wrong. But, so will Brook Lopez, and centers are soooo much harder to find, that unless you truely believe Mayo is going to be a future all star, then you have to go Lopez. Lets keep in mind that Minny already has Foye and McCants whom they used lottery picks on. Everyone is so quick to make fun of Atlanta for all their SF's, while Minny would become the combo guard capital of the world if they took Mayo.

IMO Lopez is both the better player and the better fit for Minny.

[_BBIB_]

Well this is a star driven league and Mayo has more star potential.

Foye has been hurt and has proven nothing. McCants is hardly someone worthy of passing on a PG with star potential.

[ReasonablySober]

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He will be a good NBA player, don't get me wrong. But, so will Brook Lopez, and centers are soooo much harder to find, that unless you truely believe Mayo is going to be a future all star, then you have to go Lopez. Lets keep in mind that Minny already has Foye and McCants whom they used lottery picks on. Everyone is so quick to make fun of Atlanta for all their SF's, while Minny would become the combo guard capital of the world if they took Mayo.

IMO Lopez is both the better player and the better fit for Minny.

That's the logic that drove my Bucks to draft Andrew Bogut in front of Chris Paul and, yes, Marvin Williams.

It's one thing if you believe Lopez will be a better player. Of course you take him if that's the case.

But the argument that you should pick up a center because it's tougher to find a decent one is a bad way to go.

[deeney0]

You had OJ #3 in your last mock. Why the change?

[RyGuy24]

Bulls would take Love/Augustine/Westbrook before Jordan IMO. No way, after the year that we just had, would Paxson take a project that would take 2 years before he even saw any time when his ass is on the line.

[DanTown8587]

Cammo I disagree with two things you have said:

1. Lopez over Mayo. No team is going to grade Lopez over Mayo, thus meaning they are drafting need over BPA. You JUST DON'T DO THAT. And considering none of the two guards on Minnesota are all that great, its not like Mayo is no upgrade. Plus, they need a late game closer because rarely can big men get a touch and close out a game with the clock winding down.

2. Rose over Beasley. I don't think Miami will have any problem if they had to settle for Rose, but with Wade, a guy who dominates the ball in the offense and Rose, a guy at best with the ball in his hands, do conflict offensively. If you get Beasley, you have a match-up nightmare at the 4 spot and you can have a great rebounding front line of Marion+Beasley+Haslem. I really see Haslem as their 5 next year because there are so many teams, especially in the East, where small guys start at the 5 all the time.

[Cammo101]

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That's the logic that drove my Bucks to draft Andrew Bogut in front of Chris Paul and, yes, Marvin Williams.

It's one thing if you believe Lopez will be a better player. Of course you take him if that's the case.

But the argument that you should pick up a center because it's tougher to find a decent one is a bad way to go.

I agree with you, you do not pass on a future star just to get a big man. Chris Paul was an elite level prospect and a true PG, and you never pass that up just for a solid big.

However, Mayo is not that level of prospect and it is very debatable that he can even run the point in the NBA. In fact, it is not even assured that he is as good a prospect as Foye was. Mayo is not the same level prospect that Paul was, he is not even close. Lopez on the otherhand is on the level Bogut was. And when the decision is close, you go with the big or the bigger need. Lopez is both.

[Cammo101]

You had OJ #3 in your last mock. Why the change?

Because the deeper I look, the less sure I am of Mayo and the more sure I am of Lopez. Lopez is a better fit for Minny and I think the better player of the two.

[Wade2k6]

^^ If you don't think Mayo was/is as good a prospect as Foye when he came out of college, there's no point arguing.

With Minnesota you have Foye and Mayo(if they draft him). If you believe Foye is a combo guard, Mayo wouldn't be a bad fit because you'd have two combo guards with both able to run point. If you believe Foye is a PG then you can keep Mayo at SG (which he isn't undersized at).

The inside-outside combo of Mayo-Al Jeff is as good a young inside-outside combo in the league (Maybe Portland, possibly Miami is they get Beasley).

[philly262]

BTW, the Sixers aren't taking McGee over Speights.

[LPKingsFan]

Not everyone disagrees with you on Mayo, Cammo Honestly, Minny would be better off taking Mayo at three, but trading him to NY for Lopez, trying to pry out some added value.

As for the Kings, don't mind the pick at all. Would probably come down to questions on Westbrook's PG skill, because I'd much prefer him defensively next to Martin than Augustin.

I could also see Petrie considering Love, if available, although I'm not sold on pairing him and Hawes. I'd be surprised if Paxton passed on him, considering their need for post play and his current status on the hot seat. Curious, I guess, why Arthur gets the sudden nod from Indy.

[Worm Guts]

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Since when is 6'5" with a solid build 'smallish'?

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I prefer my shooting guards to be 6'6 to 6'7. 6'5 isn't quite undersized but I'd say its smallish.

I'm with Cammo on this one, I think Lopez and Mayo are close enough where you can pick Lopez. At least if Lopez is a legitmately good defensive player.

[DanTown8587]

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I prefer my shooting guards to be 6'6 to 6'7. 6'5 isn't quite undersized but I'd say its smallish.

I'm with Cammo on this one, I think Lopez and Mayo are close enough where you can pick Lopez. At least if Lopez is a legitmately good defensive player.

If he is 6'5 with a good standing reach (I don't know, haven't checked) then he plays bigger.

[cdash]

I dont really see the point of doing so many mock drafts before the lottery is set. It essentially gets down to a Big Board type of thing. We can all make these things, but its pretty much speculation till we know the order of the draft.

For what its worth, I liked the last mock better.

[Cammo101]

Not everyone disagrees with you on Mayo, Cammo Honestly, Minny would be better off taking Mayo at three, but trading him to NY for Lopez, trying to pry out some added value.

As for the Kings, don't mind the pick at all. Would probably come down to questions on Westbrook's PG skill, because I'd much prefer him defensively next to Martin than Augustin.

I could also see Petrie considering Love, if available, although I'm not sold on pairing him and Hawes. I'd be surprised if Paxton passed on him, considering their need for post play and his current status on the hot seat. Curious, I guess, why Arthur gets the sudden nod from Indy.

I don't want to come off as too critical of Mayo, because I do like him a lot as a prospect. I think too many people are just not high enough on Lopez. A Lopez/Jefferson front court in Minny would be just sick.

I think Love and Hawes together would be redundant and too slow and unathletic. Hawes needs to be paired with a more athletic big, a guy like Arthur for example.

I have heard some rumors out of Indy that they are high on Arthur. Though nothing is for sure. Indy is said to be extremely high on both Augustin and Arthur from what I hear.

[Cammo101]

I dont really see the point of doing so many mock drafts before the lottery is set. It essentially gets down to a Big Board type of thing. We can all make these things, but its pretty much speculation till we know the order of the draft.

For what its worth, I liked the last mock better.

A big board is on the way.