Where would the Hawks be with Paul or Williams?

[_BBIB_]

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Yeah and a couple of years ago people were saying the Bulls and the Clippers had great young cores and would be the teams of the future. Guess what, you can have 2, 3, 4, 5, hell you can have 10 exciting young players but if one of them isn't an elite MVP calibur player then you don't have much of anything. Other than the pistons a couple of years back, every team that has won a championship since the day I was born had at least one elite hall of fame player on it.

I'd take Lebron James or Chris Paul or Dwight Howard over the entire Atlanta squad.

There was also a time when they said you have to have an elite big man to win a championship. Jordan changed that.

People said the Hawks would have been done in 4 games. They forced a game 7 to stop Boston from being victim of one of the biggest upsets in NBA history.

Those Pistons you mention have been one of the most consistent teams in the league the past 6 seasons. And without a boneheaded play by Rasheed Wallace they could have two titles instead of 1.

There is an evolution in basketball towards longer, athletic teams and the Hawks potentially could have the longest most athletic team in the league once Acie Law takes over the reigns of PG.

5 guys who can push the ball up the floor, create for themselves, and their teammates. rebound, and defend.

That team could easily take the one man team in Cleveland and they already have the number of that team in Orlando. Once those guys in Boston get old, there isn't another current roster that stands in their way in the Eastern Conference.

[NO-KG-AI]

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JJ probably wouldn't be here either since he was brought in to be the PG, which fell through. Yes he still could have been brought in to play sg but I'm not sure if he would be on the team. So is: paul/chill/diaw/smith/zaza better than bibby/jj/marvin/smith/horford?

So you would have Chris Paul, Diaw, draft picks, and the cap space that you used on JJ? That's better than Johnson and Horford.

[NDaATL]

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So you would have Chris Paul, Diaw, draft picks, and the cap space that you used on JJ? That's better than Johnson and Horford.

We would still have gotten Joe Johnson. That's just what BK jockstrappers always say when provoked about the horrible 05 draft.

[Scalabrine]

Its hard to say but one thing is for sure, Billy Knight sucked, he made the wrong pick time after time after time until Horford. His best pick was also the lowest pick he had (Josh Smith at 17) to work with. Imagine Deng (7th) or Iguodala (9th) instead of Chilldress (6th), or Brandon Roy (picked 6th) or Rudy Gay (8th) or Randy Foye (7th) instead of drafting Sheldon Williams (picked 5th). Then of course you have the Marvin Williams pick over Paul and Williams. That team could be elite and even younger than they are now if they had just changed any one of those picks.

[NDaATL]

^ Don't remind me, it's funny how many BK supporters there actually were too. He royally screwed our franchise. If he hadn't fallen ass backwards into a top 3 pick this year (was top 3 protected, otherwise PHX would've gotten the pick), we wouldn't even have Horford. He flat out sucked, one of the worst drafters in NBA history. Seriously, who in hell takes Shelden Williams #5 ??

[raleigh]

Better question: what would the Bucks look like with Chris or Deron instead of Bogut?

[yunggunz]

Josh Smith would be a 20/10 guy if CP3 can make Chandler a double double guy..

Wow. Chris Paul must really be unbelievable if he can magically get Josh Smith 2 extra rebounds per game.


This is one of those ridiculous monday morning quarter back threads. Marvin Williams was the consensus #2 pick that year. 30 gms out of 30 would have picked him.

But hey, what if the Rockets had Rudy Gay? Or if the Cavs drafted Amare over Wagner? Or if he Pistons took Melo over Darko?

[NO-KG-AI]

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Wow. Chris Paul must really be unbelievable if he can magically get Josh Smith 2 extra rebounds per game.


This is one of those ridiculous monday morning quarter back threads. Marvin Williams was the consensus #2 pick that year. 30 gms out of 30 would have picked him.

But hey, what if the Rockets had Rudy Gay? Or if the Cavs drafted Amare over Wagner? Or if he Pistons took Melo over Darko?

Bull, the Hornets draft board had him at number 2, but it was

Paul
Marvin
Bogut

A lot of teams had Paul ranked as their top guy, and a lot were low on Marvin, though me personally, and the Hornets, were pretty high on him.

[yunggunz]

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Bull, the Hornets draft board had him at number 2, but it was

Paul
Marvin
Bogut

A lot of teams had Paul ranked as their top guy, and a lot were low on Marvin, though me personally, and the Hornets, were pretty high on him.

I sure dont remember it that way. Because at the time the Hawks were desperate for a PG, but everyone was saying that they werent in a position to draft for position and had to take the best player available.


after digging a bit, I found this from SI http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/w ... index.html

At the time of his decision, he was competing with Andrew Bogut to be the No. 1 pick, and no one then was talking about the possibility that either prospect would or should be overtaken by Paul or Deron Williams.

But it's revisionist to say that they made an obvious mistake by choosing Marvin Williams: Had they used that pick on Paul or Deron Williams, they would have been hammered for drafting for need rather than for the best available player, because the consensus rated Marvin Williams ahead of both point guards.

Thats EXACTLY how I remembered it as well. Bogut/Williams were jockeying for 1/2. Any GM looking to draft Paul/Deron might have traded down, but no way would they have taken a PG with the 2 pick.

[NO-KG-AI]

I don't remember a whole lot of hype for Williams at all, until he showed up to one of the draft camps or workouts having lost about 10 pounds, and looking much quicker.

I do remember some of the major draft sites having Paul as there top rated player for most of the year, and Bogut becoming the number 1 because of the Personnel on the Bucks.

[isrred]

I dont know how the hornets would be, but the Jazz would still be good regardless...shame for the hornets tho lol

[xstockholmsyndromex]

The Hawks would be worse off because everyone knows that Marvin Williams is >>>> Deron or CP3!

[NO-KG-AI]

I'm not sure exactly how everyone's draft board was, but a lot of the teams below the Hornets were hoping a PG would drop, but both Utah and NO had there minds set on one PG, so I'm assuming whichever PG ATL picked, that team would end up with Marvin.

[10scott10]

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I believe he meant that Melo would have messed up Detroit's team chemistry.

then what about bosh. don't tell me that team wouldn't dominate

[DanTown8587]

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then what about bosh. don't tell me that team wouldn't dominate

This is how everyone's draft board looked in 03

1. James



2. Darko/Melo
3. Darko/Melo



4-9. Bosh, Wade, Kaman, Hinrich, Ford, Sweetney

Everyone forgets, that the ONLY player Detroit could have taken and not have gotten killed for was Carmelo, and for them, their only young guy was Prince, so it would have been a bad move. Bosh was a guy no one could guess on, one year @GT and was incredibly skinny (even more so than now) and people just did not know. Miami almost didn't take Wade. LA was set on Kaman because they needed a C. Bulls were torn, because the Jay Will thing happened and the question was do they take a PG (Ford or Hinrich) or go for someone else (Sweetney, Peitrus)

[DanTown8587]

I am not sold on Atlanta with Paul and without Horford and Williams. I mean Paul is great, but everyone vastly underrates David West, Tyson Chandler and Peja and basically walks around saying "Paul plays with scrubs, he is jesus" yes, Paul is a fantastic PG and a great play maker, but the question is, and I am not taking credit for this, does Chris Paul become the player he is today in ATL (not having the slight of going 4th, not living through Katrina, not having BScott, etc)

[Ming Kong!]

I am not sold on Atlanta with Paul and without Horford and Williams. I mean Paul is great, but everyone vastly underrates David West, Tyson Chandler and Peja and basically walks around saying "Paul plays with scrubs, he is jesus" yes, Paul is a fantastic PG and a great play maker, but the question is, and I am not taking credit for this, does Chris Paul become the player he is today in ATL (not having the slight of going 4th, not living through Katrina, not having BScott, etc)

Well keep in mind that Paul missed a chunk of games last season, had it been in a Hawks uniform, then maybe they would have had a shot at Hortford anyways. Beside they would have probably got a good pick anyways (a Green, Jianlian, Thorton, etc..)