Chris Bosh or Thad Young?

[CPT]

A friend and I are having an argument, so we thought it would be best to take it here.

If a Chris Bosh for Thad Young trade were possible, under the CBA (which I think it might be, with Philly set to be under the cap this offseason), which team would reject it? The Raptors, the Sixers, or both?

I believe that the Raptors would turn it down. Thad Young might turn out to be a hell of a player, but only a handful of players reach the level Chris Bosh has, and he's still only 24. He's a great character guy, and while he might not be a true franchise player, he's a guy you can feel pretty comfortable building around. Now imagine trying to sell trading him for a rookie who put up 8/5 to your fans. I can't see that happening, so I'm pretty confident Toronto would turn it down without giving the idea much thought.

On the other hand, my friend believes Thad has a much higher ceiling than Bosh, and is just scratching the surface of his potential. At 19, this could very well be true, especially since Bosh has some injury concerns. He has 5 years to catch up to where Bosh is now, and for those 5 years he will be making a fraction of what Bosh would cost. Thad Young + whatever the Sixers can get with that extra money may be better than Bosh, right away and going forward. For those reasons, he believes Philly would turn down the deal.

Realistically, it's probably the kind of deal that both teams would turn down, but don't let that stop you from giving your opinion either way.

[Duffman100]

Uh...your friend is an idiot.

You don't trade a 24 year old player who is putting up 20 and 10 for a 19 year old rookie with 'potential'.

[eyeatoma]

What is Bosh...like 24?

Ya...

Although the sixers have a dire need for an all-star PF who can score in bunches, I don;t see bosh having the defensive effect to get us over the top. He's still an elite PF, and it weren't for his knees I would be tempted to do the deal.

Bosh will continues to be a 22-24ppg/10-22rpg player, but how many games is he going to play? How much better will he get defensively?

Thad Young could possibly average 24+ppg 8+rpg and 4 assists, with the potential of being a defensive stopper. He has a wonderful touch around the rim, an incredible basketball IQ, as well as age going for him. As long as he can tighten up his handles, and improve his J, I think the skies the limit for this kid.

[Duffman100]

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If the Sixers turned down a Bosh for Thaddeus Young trade, they should all be shot. The fact that they would even hesitate is laughable.

[T-dot Raps]

A more realistic question would who would turn down a Bargnani for Young trade.

[eyeatoma]

Uh...your friend is an idiot.

You don't trade a 24 year old player who is putting up 20 and 10 for a 19 year old rookie with 'potential'.

Does that kid with potential have the ability to possibly be a perennial all star? (Yes)Does this kid play better than Bosh did at the age of 19?(Yes) Young was rated higher than Durant before he busted out last year in college. Young's rookie year Georgia Tech was pretty decent. And this isn't just any rookie, most people are raving at how well he played this year. He was torching Detroit, they didn't have an answer for him. It was Mo Cheeks fault for not taking advantage of the mismatch.

Also are Bosh's knees being taken into consideration what so ever? When was the last time he played a full season? He already has injury concerns and he's only 24...

[CPT]

Just to put those 24+/8+ stats in perspective (nevermind the 4 assists, which are quite high for a SF/PF), here is a list of players who achieved those numbers this season.

Lebron James
Amare Stoudamire
Dirk Nowitzki

If you really think Thad Young is going to be in that class of player, you make the trade. If you have a firm grasp of reality, you don't.

[hoop_head]

Thaddeus Young is a promising young player, Bosh is an All-Star. We are not comparing apples to apples here, not even close.

[Duffman100]

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Does that kid with potential have the ability to possibly be a perennial all star? (Yes)Does this kid play better than Bosh did at the age of 19?(Yes) Young was rated higher than Durant before he busted out last year in college. Young's rookie year Georgia Tech was pretty decent. And this isn't just any rookie, most people are raving at how well he played this year. He was torching Detroit, they didn't have an answer for him. It was Mo Cheeks fault for now taking advantage of the mismatch.

Also are Bosh's knees being taken into consideration what so ever? When was the last time he played a full season? He already has injury concerns and he's only 24...

Has Thaddeus Young proven anything? Is Thaddeus Young an all star? An all NBA player?

No. You're talking in Maybes and Potential, which is the most dangerous word in sports.

You don't turn down a trade for an All Star unless the guy you have is a sure thing (Lebron, Durant etc). Could Thaddeus Young be a good player? Yes. So could a whole wack load of players with the same athleticism, same work ethic, etc etc...

Chris Bosh has steadily improved. Yes he has had injury problems, but maybe thats because he's been guarding centers since he's been in the league and the been the ONLY guy on the team capable of putting up 20+ on a consistent basis.

If you're telling me that a Thaddeus Young for Chris Bosh trade would be turned down by the Sixers, you are on crack sir. Straight up, good quality, passed out in the backyard in your underwear, crack.

[Kosta]

So.

Is this thread serious?

[CPT]

So.

Is this thread serious?

Unfortunately.

It's the only way I can convince him.

[Duffman100]

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Unfortunately.

It's the only way I can convince him.

Oh my. I like Thaddeus Young, a lot, and I'd love the Raptors get their hands on him.

But cmon...

[eyeatoma]

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Has Thaddeus Young proven anything? Is Thaddeus Young an all star? An all NBA player?

No. You're talking in Maybes and Potential, which is the most dangerous word in sports.

You don't turn down a trade for an All Star unless the guy you have is a sure thing (Lebron, Durant etc). Could Thaddeus Young be a good player? Yes. So could a whole wack load of players with the same athleticism, same work ethic, etc etc...

Nothing is a sure thing though, Vosh's knees could finally give, and he could end up going down for a year or two. At 19 years old, its pretty difficult to figure out how good a player is going to be. But when that player is putting up 8/5 on 53 percent, and just played very impressively against a defensive team like the Detroit Pistons, one can't help but take notice.

If you were to redo the draft, most people who have Thad Young going 3rd or 4th. Thats about the same position that Bosh was drafted at.

A whole whack load of players with the same athleticism and work ethic? Do you know how hard it is to come by a package with all world athleticism, bball knowledge beyond your years, an above average post game, as well as the ability to run the floor like a gazelle, all at the tender age of 19? Young is already an average defensive player, and has the ability of being a stopper. No one will ever say the same thing about Bosh.

[notagenius]

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Nothing is a sure thing though, Vosh's knees could finally give, and he could end up going down for a year or two. At 19 years old, its pretty difficult to figure out how good a player is going to be. But when that player is putting up 8/5 on 53 percent, and just played very impressively against a defensive team like the Detroit Pistons, one can't help but take notice.

If you were to redo the draft, most people who have Thad Young going 3rd or 4th. Thats about the same position that Bosh was drafted at.

A whole whack load of players with the same athleticism and work ethic? Do you know how hard it is to come by a package with all world athleticism, bball knowledge beyond your years, an above average post game, as well as the ability to run the floor like a gazelle, all at the tender age of 19? Young is already an average defensive player, and has the ability of being a stopper. No one will ever say the same thing about Bosh.

actually those were exactly the type of things people were saying about bosh after his rookie campaign which was better than thad's. And although bosh isn't a defensive stopper, he is an average defensive player.

[Duffman100]

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Nothing is a sure thing though, Vosh's knees could finally give, and he could end up going down for a year or two. At 19 years old, its pretty difficult to figure out how good a player is going to be. But when that player is putting up 8/5 on 53 percent, and just played very impressively against a defensive team like the Detroit Pistons, one can't help but take notice.

If you were to redo the draft, most people who have Thad Young going 3rd or 4th. Thats about the same position that Bosh was drafted at.

A whole whack load of players with the same athleticism and work ethic? Do you know how hard it is to come by a package with all world athleticism, bball knowledge beyond your years, an above average post game, as well as the ability to run the floor like a gazelle, all at the tender age of 19? Young is already an average defensive player, and has the ability of being a stopper. No one will ever say the same thing about Bosh.

I'll agree with you, I'm impressed by him. He looks like he has game.

But since when is 8 and 5 in his rookie year comparable to trading for an All Star in Chris Bosh?

What if Young blows his knee out? Nothing is known. The only thing that is known right now is that Bosh is a 20-10 player and Young is an 8-5 player. Both with high ceilings.

No GM in the world would turn down a Bosh for Young trade. None. You're being an unbelievable homer.

[Buckeye-NBAFan]

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Thad Young could possibly average 24+ppg 8+rpg and 4 assists, with the potential of being a defensive stopper. He has a wonderful touch around the rim, an incredible basketball IQ, as well as age going for him. As long as he can tighten up his handles, and improve his J, I think the skies the limit for this kid.

I think you're selling Thad Young short. As worst, he'll put up 24/8/4 next year. In his prime, I'm thinking at least 40/10/10/5/5

[eyeatoma]

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I'll agree with you, I'm impressed by him. He looks like he has game.

But since when is 8 and 5 in his rookie year comparable to trading for an All Star in Chris Bosh?

What if Young blows his knee out? Nothing is known. The only thing that is known right now is that Bosh is a 20-10 player and Young is an 8-5 player. Both with high ceilings.

No GM in the world would turn down a Bosh for Young trade. None. You're being an unbelievable homer.

Sure there might be some homerism there, but I'm taking into consideration my teams future as well. Why would I trade a kid who has all the potential in the world, for one who's an all star but already has serious knee issues? Also take note that Bosh has not done anything signifant in the post season as of yet, so am I sure this is the guy I want to center my players around? He's definitely not a number 1, the book is still out on Thaddeus Young.

Let me add that Young got these stats playing 21 minutes per game, out of position, against players that outweighed him by a good 30-40 lbs. The + effect Young had on court was pretty unbelievable. If you compare Bosh's and Young's rookie year, by increasing minutes alone, Young would have surpassed Bosh's stats. The fact that Young produced this well while not having a single play called for him, is what makes most people think that theres something very special about him.

[eyeatoma]

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I think you're selling Thad Young short. As worst, he'll put up 24/8/4 next year. In his prime, I'm thinking at least 40/10/10/5/5

LOL...

[Duffman100]

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Sure there might be some homerism there, but I'm taking into consideration my teams future as well. Why would I trade a kid who has all the potential in the world, for one who's an all star but already has serious knee issues? Also take note that Bosh has not done anything signifant in the post season as of yet, so am I sure this is the guy I want to center my players around? He's definitely not a number 1, the book is still out on Thaddeus Young.

Let me add that Young got these stats playing 21 minutes per game, out of position, against players that outweighed him by a good 30-40 lbs. The + effect Young had on court was pretty unbelievable. If you compare Bosh's and Young's rookie year, by increasing minutes alone, Young would have surpassed Bosh's stats. The fact that Young produced this well while not having a single play called for him, is what makes most people think that theres something very special about him.

Bosh didn't have any plays called for him in his rookie year either. Bosh was guarding centers, when he weighed 200 pounds, Bosh was playing with probably the worst Head Coach of Raptors History. And still, in 31 minutes he put up 11 and 7. in 21 Young put up 8 and 5. Those numbers are pretty close, I'll give you that. But its a big, a huge IF, if young can get to the level of Bosh.

Regardless, Bosh is exactly what the sixers need. A Young, scoring PF. You put him next to dalembart, andre miller and iggy and you've got a ridiculous team.

keep in mind, Bosh has had NOBODY playing with him. Ford and Calderon are the 2 best players, NOBODY can put up 20 points around him consistently. Which means he's scoring 20+ and facing double and triple teams every game.

Serious knee issues? Every so often, his knee gets sore and he sits. I would hardly call that serious. Bosh gets injured, like I said, because he's guarding the biggest guy on the floor. You are completely underestimating what Bosh does on the floor.

I'm not saying Bosh is a superstar, he's not on the same level as Lebron, Kobe, Paul. He might not even be on the tier below. But he's a star, an all star, and he's led a pretty crappy Raptors team into the playoffs two years in a row. For a good deal, pulling them by their heels while they weigh him down.

[eyeatoma]

Bosh didn't have any plays called for him in his rookie year either. Bosh was guarding centers, when he weighed 200 pounds, Bosh was playing with probably the worst Head Coach of Raptors History. And still, in 31 minutes he put up 11 and 7. in 21 Young put up 8 and 5. Those numbers are pretty close, I'll give you that. But its a big, a huge IF, if young can get to the level of Bosh.

Regardless, Bosh is exactly what the sixers need. A Young, scoring PF. You put him next to dalembart, andre miller and iggy and you've got a ridiculous team.

keep in mind, Bosh has had NOBODY playing with him. Ford and Calderon are the 2 best players, NOBODY can put up 20 points around him consistently. Which means he's scoring 20+ and facing double and triple teams every game.

Serious knee issues? Every so often, his knee gets sore and he sits. I would hardly call that serious. Bosh gets injured, like I said, because he's guarding the biggest guy on the floor. You are completely underestimating what Bosh does on the floor.

I'm not saying Bosh is a superstar, he's not on the same level as Lebron, Kobe, Paul. He might not even be on the tier below. But he's a star, an all star, and he's led a pretty crappy Raptors team into the playoffs two years in a row. For a good deal, pulling them by their heels while they weigh him down.

I see what you're saying,and understand that I might be coming off as being a big homer, but if you see the effect Thad has while on the floor you may understand why I'm so high on him. His bb IQ is through the roof, and he's lucky enough to have the physical gifts as well as the natural talent to back that up.

I agree, Bosh is exactly the player the sixers need, and I would be willing to let his defensive short comings slide because of the huge mismatches he creates offensively. To be quite honest, I would much rather trade Iguodala for Bosh rather than Thad Young. Young just intrigues me to the extent that I would kick myself if I was to let go of a potential 24ppg player who rebounds well, has good defensive ability, and only takes good shots.