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SI.com article about Joe 

Post#1 » by conleyorbust » Mon May 12, 2008 4:59 pm

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/w ... index.html

There has to be a wee sense of satisfaction for Joe Johnson, a small measure of triumph, that his NBA season still was alive five days after the Suns had scattered for the summer.



But Johnson stepped up for the Hawks this spring, averaging 20 points and hitting 44.4 percent of his three-pointers in seven playoff games. He shot only 40.9 percent overall, but turned the best-of-seven into a true series when he scored 20 points, en route to 35, in the fourth quarter of the Hawks' Game 4 victory. There was even a moment in Game 3 when Johnson flashed some uncharacteristic emotion, hollering and bumping teammate Josh Smith during a scoring run. The Atlanta Journal-Constitution found it so notable that, three years into Johnson's productive but placid stay there, the paper felt compelled to highlight it.



As impressive as the 6-foot-7 shooting guard was against the Celtics, as productive as he has been in three Atlanta seasons (22.0 ppg in 211 games), the role of a team's best and most richly compensated player demands more. That's why it was a little disappointing, heading from the Hawks' surprising first-round play into a newly energized summer, that Johnson still would be deflecting responsibility that, rightfully, falls to him.

"We need more veteran leadership,'' he said after Game 7. "We've got a lot of young guys that are just running wild [in basketball terms] and we need more veteran leadership. Hopefully we can get that.''




Some guys never become vocal leaders, would be nice to hear Joe say "the right things" in the papers though. Can't blame any one member of the team for not beating the Celtics though... much better team. Great defense that can make anyone, Lebron included, look bad.

What do yall think? I can guess that Harry and tontoz won't agree on something.
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Post#2 » by Rip2137 » Mon May 12, 2008 5:13 pm

That's why it was a little disappointing, heading from the Hawks' surprising first-round play into a newly energized summer, that Johnson still would be deflecting responsibility that, rightfully, falls to him.



I really really REALLY agree with this line.
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Post#3 » by Jjforprez » Mon May 12, 2008 7:58 pm

Rip2137 wrote:That's why it was a little disappointing, heading from the Hawks' surprising first-round play into a newly energized summer, that Johnson still would be deflecting responsibility that, rightfully, falls to him.



I really really REALLY agree with this line.


Definitely agree with this statement. Every year we hear from Joe that we need veteran leadership, and while it might be true, I need to hear more what he plans to do personally. He keeps trying to point to something else.....You are the veteran leadership Joe, what are you going to do?
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Post#4 » by JoshB914 » Mon May 12, 2008 8:28 pm

Fantastic article and 100% correct. But JJ is not going to be that vet leader we need, it's just not going to happen.
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Post#5 » by raleigh » Mon May 12, 2008 9:07 pm

The Hawks just added Bibby and are going to be adding one of the most proven players in Europe. There will likely also be a vet wing and and a vet big added.

THAT SHOULD BE ENOUGH, JOE!
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Post#6 » by evildallas » Mon May 12, 2008 10:57 pm

Maybe a vet head coach would be nice. Woodson has learned on the job (as a head coach) like a lot of the players have as players here. It's possible that they don't even realize how much they don't know.
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Post#7 » by Jamaaliver » Mon May 12, 2008 11:02 pm

I'm gonna go a different route and commend Joe Johnson for speaking up prior to the season and again after the playoffs. JJ was phenomenal during the playoffs. He played like a true vet. Game 7 was an aberration. A real emabarassment. Our young guys seemed shell shocked and couldn't muster the focus or energy they displayed a home. A veteran team might have lost. Might have been blown out. but for us to play one of our worst games in YEARS in a game 7? ridiculous. A team of vets would have at least put up a fight.

Last year JJ campaigned for another establshed vet and when he got it, he proceeded to put up big numbers and lead us to a playoff berth. Dragging us from 10th place (or was it 11th) back to 8th.

He signed a 6 year contract and halfway through it, he's been an all star, olympian, multiple recipient of player of the week honors and a model citizen to boot. But he needs help.

He was told by BK that the team had every intention of adding vets to the mix. He's right. For the 4th year in a row we were the YOUNGEST TEAM IN THE LEAGUE.

Potential, inexperience do not a winner make. If we're not committed to a winning team with established players I say we trade JJ to a team that is. We owe him that much. Since we seem committed to the youngest, cheapest team possible.
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Post#8 » by Jamaaliver » Mon May 12, 2008 11:06 pm

adding one of the most proven players in Europe. THAT SHOULD BE ENOUGH, JOE!


What do you call a European who has never played a minute in the NBA or even participated in an NBA practice or training camp?

A ROOKIE!!!!!

David Andersen does not count as a vet.
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Post#9 » by conleyorbust » Mon May 12, 2008 11:43 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:I'm gonna go a different route and commend Joe Johnson for speaking up prior to the season and again after the playoffs. JJ was phenomenal during the playoffs. He played like a true vet. Game 7 was an aberration. A real emabarassment. Our young guys seemed shell shocked and couldn't muster the focus or energy they displayed a home. A veteran team might have lost. Might have been blown out. but for us to play one of our worst games in YEARS in a game 7? ridiculous. A team of vets would have at least put up a fight.

Last year JJ campaigned for another establshed vet and when he got it, he proceeded to put up big numbers and lead us to a playoff berth. Dragging us from 10th place (or was it 11th) back to 8th.

He signed a 6 year contract and halfway through it, he's been an all star, olympian, multiple recipient of player of the week honors and a model citizen to boot. But he needs help.

He was told by BK that the team had every intention of adding vets to the mix. He's right. For the 4th year in a row we were the YOUNGEST TEAM IN THE LEAGUE.

Potential, inexperience do not a winner make. If we're not committed to a winning team with established players I say we trade JJ to a team that is. We owe him that much. Since we seem committed to the youngest, cheapest team possible.


This is a ridiculous post. I watched game 7, every hideous terrible minute of it. Johnson wasn't playing any harder than anyone else, he wasn't any better either. He had no right to get up on a pedestal and call the rest of the team out after shooting 5-17.

Its one thing to come out and say that you think changes should be made at certain points. Its another thing to bash your teamates while not taking any responsibility AFTER a very hard fought series is lost. There is no motivational value there, he is just making bad blood by saying that it was everyone else' fault.

... and Bibby was a big vet signing. He just sucked big-time. I don't know what else Joe was expecting, trading for Tim Duncan?

We don't OWE Joe Johnson anything except $13m, which is quite a lot. Don't forget, the dude shot 40% for most of the season and never took any blame for it but once he was healthy again he went back to being Mr. High and Mighty. I've excused Joe's play from earlier, he was injured. I just don't think he should be "commended" for straight calling out his teamates when there was nothing to gain from it.

I love what Joe brings to this team. Dude's a real warrior. He is just a terrible leader and doesn't know how to boost his teamates.

I don't think you can necessarilly trade for a vocal leader either. I think evildallas had the right idea. Get a HC who will come in and get in a dude's face, a guy who knows how to pump the team up when they are lethargic instead of crossing his arms and looking sad.
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Post#10 » by JoshB914 » Tue May 13, 2008 12:48 am

I don't buy this "young team" stuff anymore. Smoove and Chillz are going to be in his fifth season, Marv in his fourth, JJ is a vet, and Bibby is a vet. Now we also have a playoff series under our belts, inexperience is not an excuse anymore for our current players. We are a young team based on raw age, but we have some legit vets in our startling lineup now.
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Post#11 » by raleigh » Tue May 13, 2008 1:25 am

Jamaaliver wrote:What do you call a European who has never played a minute in the NBA or even participated in an NBA practice or training camp?

A ROOKIE!!!!!

David Andersen does not count as a vet.


Come on, people. It's time we start giving the Euroleague some credit over here in America. Top players over there have proven to be role players at the very least on a much more consistent basis than senior from college.

Andersen will be able to contribute immediately, just like the scores of others that have come over in the past few years.

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