Rip Hamilton

legacyinthemakin89c · Post #1 » by **legacyinthemakin89c** » Tue May 13, 2008 8:50 pm

We were talking about this on the Pistons board and I wanted to know what everyone's opinion on this is.

The current top playoff scorers in history are here:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/lea ... eer_p.html

Rip is currently at # 31 for all time and is about to pass Isiah Thomas for the Pistons all time playoff scoring record.

Since Rip is still in his prime and is in the best conditioned player in the league, he will probably play at this level for at least the next 5 or so years.

If he can easily break into the top 20 or top 15 playoff scorers in history, do you guys think he would belong in the hall of fame?

And the same could be asked of Rasheed if he breaks into the top 25.

Post #2 » by **loserX** » Tue May 13, 2008 8:58 pm

I love the guy (and looking at his career stats, am starting to think he's very underrated), but no way is he a Hall of Fame player.

He will be viewed as "a good player who just happened to be on a very good team that played a lot of playoff games", not someone who ever achieved any historic level of performance, or any long-term individual dominance.

War3player · Post #3 » by **War3player** » Tue May 13, 2008 9:04 pm

What's the difference between Rip and say Reggie? Yet I don't think any one doubts Reggie deserves Hall of Fame honours.

Blackfyre · Post #4 » by **Blackfyre** » Tue May 13, 2008 9:11 pm

War3player wrote:What's the difference between Rip and say Reggie? Yet I don't think any one doubts Reggie deserves Hall of Fame honours.

Reggie was the best player in one of the best 90's teams and one of the best clutch performers ever. You can't compare Rip to Reggie. Their stats are similar but Reggie's impact is much bigger than his stats.
edit: To anwer the Q he is not HOF worthy.

boomann21 · Post #5 » by **boomann21** » Tue May 13, 2008 9:11 pm

War3player wrote:What's the difference between Rip and say Reggie? Yet I don't think any one doubts Reggie deserves Hall of Fame honours.

Reggie has that dramatic flair that we all loved. We can never forget when he was choking himself to imply the Knicks were choking or when he fought Jordan. The only thing rip will be remembered for is a receding hair line under an unexplainable face mask. It's clear Reggie knew how to market himself.

TAI8 · Post #6 » by **TAI8** » Tue May 13, 2008 9:18 pm

Rip was blessed with the opportunity to play on a powerhouse. I am not surprised. He won't be in the HOF because he didn't do anything special. He is a good player but not a HOF.

M.Balla · Post #7 » by **M.Balla** » Tue May 13, 2008 9:34 pm

The difference between reggie and rip?

Just kidding, Hamilton is an awesome player, it's amazing watching him play, and it's a shame that NBA fans only care about dunks, blocks and things like that. He is way underrated but he's no HOF'er and he's not the cold long range assassin Reggie was. When you hear "Reggie Miller" you think about those memorable games agains the Bulls or Knicks. Hamilton doesn't have this pedigree

longfellow44 · Post #8 » by **longfellow44** » Tue May 13, 2008 9:44 pm

Yeah the difference is when i think Reggie Miller i think 8 points in 11 seconds. WOW. When I think of Hamilton I think of Billups and Sheed and Prince. When you think of Hamilton you can't help but think of his team and how he is just another cog on that team a good player but not one of the greats.

Post #9 » by **Snakebites** » Tue May 13, 2008 9:45 pm

I agree with others. Rip is a great player, and got a steady spot in a key role on a team that has been very good for a very long period of time.

To his credit, he has shown consistency in terms of playoff scoring. That alone, however, does not make him a hall of fame caliber player.

sp6r=underrated · Post #10 » by **sp6r=underrated** » Tue May 13, 2008 9:46 pm

Reggie Miller = Overrated

Blame Rasho · Post #11 » by **Blame Rasho** » Tue May 13, 2008 9:47 pm

I don't think that Rip is anywhere near the HOF.

T-Spot · Post #12 » by **T-Spot** » Tue May 13, 2008 9:58 pm

Rip is one of my favorite players. Deadly from the corners, awesome mid-range shooter, great off the ball player, and a quality person.

Post #13 » by **SOUL** » Tue May 13, 2008 10:12 pm

Not HOF, but he's money.. solid player, probably could average around 22 if he wasn't playing in Detroit.

M.Balla · Post #14 » by **M.Balla** » Tue May 13, 2008 10:20 pm

I'm not that sure. The way he plays, Rip could average from 12 to 22 depending on whether team he is. He's a magnificent system player.

On the Nuggz (team I watch the most) without a PG to set him, with a coach who don't call plays and with teamates who thinks that a "screen" is just something you put in front of a projector, he would be out of the league now.

On teams who emphasizes ball movement, like IDK, Toronto for example, he would be on the 22 point plateau easily.

Post #15 » by **pillwenney** » Wed May 14, 2008 1:03 am

If Reggie wasn't a) the undisputed leader of his very good teams and b) arguably the most clutch player ever, he wouldn't get any kind of consideration IMO.

That's the main difference as I see it. The 90's Pacers were Reggie's team and he lead them to success (not to say that he didn't have a supporting cast). If anything, Detroit is Chauncey's team. And while Rip isn't unclutch or anything, he has never really done the spectacular like Reggie has.

Post #16 » by **Rooster** » Wed May 14, 2008 1:59 am

Reggie had Dale Davis and Rik Smits up front...

Every season Rip's been a Piston, they've made the ECF. He has a ring. He has consistent stats and plays an all-around, team-first game. He might be HOF-worthy by the end of his career, especially if the Pistons win it all this year (first team to make it to the conference finals say what?), but whether he does or not, I would kill to have him as any team in the league and that's probably one of the highest compliments I can give.

srt4b · Post #17 » by **srt4b** » Wed May 14, 2008 2:16 am

If Rip wins 2 more rings in 5 years he will be making a serious case.

Blame Rasho · Post #18 » by **Blame Rasho** » Wed May 14, 2008 2:20 am

srt4b wrote:If Rip wins 2 more rings in 5 years he will be making a serious case.

My thinking is that Rip has never been an all nba player so that tells me enough about his HOF probability.

Honestly if he is a HOF than Parker and Ginobili are locks.

Alex_De_Large · Post #19 » by **Alex_De_Large** » Wed May 14, 2008 2:25 am

LOL what a stupid comparison, if you don't like miller as a commentator i understand, but don't hate on the player or under rate him.

Warspite · Post #20 » by **Warspite** » Wed May 14, 2008 2:43 am

Blame Rasho wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

My thinking is that Rip has never been an all nba player so that tells me enough about his HOF probability.

Honestly if he is a HOF than Parker and Ginobili are locks.

I dont think there is any doubt that Parker and Manu are both Hofers. So is Peja, AK, Gasol and just about every other Int player who is in the NBA.

The way Rip gets in is the same way many of the 60s Celtics were inducted. Winning, playing team ball, defense and extended excellance. Rip is not a HoF now but if he is on this same level and we are still talking about Rip and the Pistons this time every yr and they play in 7,8,9, 10 consecutive ECFs then yes hes a HoFer. Im not sure what his stats will look like but he would be close to 20k in pts and pretty much every player with 20k in pts is in the HoF.