About Sheed Wallace

[nba_addict]

Am I the only one thinking he deserves 1st NBA All Defensive Team honor at the very least? Sheeds stats may not show it but I think he is a better interior defender than KG, Duncan and Camby. Amare can go up for 30 against KG, Duncan and Camby but I doubt he can do that against Sheed. Same goes with Dwight. KG, Duncan and Camby are great help defenders but nowhere compared to Sheed in terms of a locking down NBA bigs.

[mr_sunshine]

Duncan > Sheed > KG > Camby

[NO-KG-AI]

He's definitely not better than KG and Duncan. I don't know why people still buy this. He's a great man defender, but that's about it.

[Hunter]

Duncan > Sheed > KG > Camby

I'd probably agree with that in terms of post-defense. Duncan is the best in the league but Sheed is right there. KG's not quite as good in that respect, but he's ridiculously versatile. I'd actually take all 3 of those guys over Camby by a substantial margin. I think he's pretty overrated.

What hurts Sheed is that he's such a poor rebounder. If he was grabbing 9 or 10 boards a game instead of 6 or 7 I think you'd see him get a lot more respect. Whether that's fair or not I dunno, but it's certainly a factor.

btw - anybody that doesn't think he's also an outstanding team defender is gravely mistaken. He's probably the best team defender on the Pistons. He's a very very intelligent player.

[NO-KG-AI]

I haven't seen Duncan play the best man D in the league in ages, and neither were nearly as good as KG this year.

KG played MUCH better man D this year than Rasheed, his opponents ppg, and FG% were way better. There's really no measure that shows Rasheed as a better defender than KG or Duncan. I'll give you camby though.

My first team all D would have been:

Duncan
Garnett
Smith
Bryant
Billups

[Hunter]

^And there is NO way I'd have Billups on my 1st team. He gets torched by quicker guards. Then again I don't think I'd have put Smith or Kobe on 1st team either, so we're clearly not on the same page here lol

[NO-KG-AI]

I thought about that, but I can't think of a PG who hasn't got torched by someone, and I wanted a PG in there.

PG is the hardest position to defend IMO, and Chauncey is spectacular against some guys, more often than most other PG's.

[Mad Mike]

He's definitely not better than KG and Duncan. I don't know why people still buy this. He's a great man defender, but that's about it.

than why do duncan and kevin hate guarding centers in this league? Why is duncan getting ate up by david west? Why does amare always go off on duncan all the time? duncan defense is really overrated. I don't think you watch sheed much or else you would see he is the best 1 on 1 defender for bigs. Also when sheed was younger he use to guard sf, pf, and centers. I have never seen duncan play sf. Sheed can guard dirk, damp and josh howard. Sheed can guard O'neal, Amare and Hill. Pop hates the duncan vs dirk matchup. Spurs have great team defense but duncan is not a great 1 on 1 defender.

[studcrackers]

duncan has a tough time against the quick athletic bigs

[HarlemHeat37]

-Duncan has guarded West for like 5 possessions in the entire series..Duncan has the body of a C..you can't expect him to go outside and shut down West, he'll just dribble by him most of the time..Garnett can guard someone like West better than Duncan, just like Duncan would guard a C better than KG..

-name me somebody that can guard Amare..in the 2 games that the Suns played vs. Detroit this year, Stoudemire scored 33 and 31..

Duncan and Garnett are starting to get up there in age, but I'd take both guys over any other defenders in the NBA at the PF/C position..

[NO-KG-AI]

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than why do duncan and kevin hate guarding centers in this league? Why is duncan getting ate up by david west? Why does amare always go off on duncan all the time? duncan defense is really overrated. I don't think you watch sheed much or else you would see he is the best 1 on 1 defender for bigs. Also when sheed was younger he use to guard sf, pf, and centers. I have never seen duncan play sf.

here is all 3 guys opposing player stats, while guarding C's.

Garnett: 15.3 pp48, 48.5 EFG% 16.7per

Rasheed: 17.5pp48, 47.8 EFG% 18.2 per

Duncan: 17.3 pp48, 48.2% 16.9 PER

So against C's, it's Garnett, Duncan, then Rasheed..... Garnett absolutely trashes the other two when it comes to guarding PF's, and his on/off defensively is better, his team was better ETC. You can MAYBE make a case for Sheed over Duncan for just this year... MAYBE, but I wouldn't.

[Hunter]

duncan has a tough time against the quick athletic bigs

I'll agree with that.

Make sure you guys draw the distinction between man defense and post-defense. They are not necessarily synonymous. I won't dispute that KG was the better man defender this year, and he was my vote for DPOY.

All I said was that Timmy and Sheed were better post-defenders, which I believe to be true. But that is also only one aspect of defense, and arguably a diminishing aspect given the direction the so called power positions are headed.

[Rasheeed!!!]

All I know is that Duncan, Howard, Amare have to work ridiculously hard for their's against Sheed. Hell, last game vs SAS Sheed held Duncan to 2-11.

Sheeds problem is that he doesn't play his stifling man D against lesser opponents and he's not a particularly willing rebounder (although when he wants to be he gobbles them up, eg: when playing Duncan)

[Mad Mike]

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here is all 3 guys opposing player stats, while guarding C's.

Garnett: 15.3 pp48, 48.5 EFG% 16.7per

Rasheed: 17.5pp48, 47.8 EFG% 18.2 per

Duncan: 17.3 pp48, 48.2% 16.9 PER

So against C's, it's Garnett, Duncan, then Rasheed..... Garnett absolutely trashes the other two when it comes to guarding PF's, and his on/off defensively is better, his team was better ETC. You can MAYBE make a case for Sheed over Duncan for just this year... MAYBE, but I wouldn't.

Sheed is older than both so you should factor that in. I would love to see stats when sheed was 25. if EFG means opposing Center shooting percentage than sheed wins that. Duncan is really limited to who he can guard. Pop usually puts duncan on weaker offensive player. Maybe he does that to save duncan's foul or not who knows but Duncan defense to me is overrated a bit. BTW im looking at it from career stand point and back when sheed was younger he was just a beast guarding PF, C and SF.

[Mad Mike]

-Duncan has guarded West for like 5 possessions in the entire series..Duncan has the body of a C..you can't expect him to go outside and shut down West, he'll just dribble by him most of the time..Garnett can guard someone like West better than Duncan, just like Duncan would guard a C better than KG..

-name me somebody that can guard Amare..in the 2 games that the Suns played vs. Detroit this year, Stoudemire scored 33 and 31..

Duncan and Garnett are starting to get up there in age, but I'd take both guys over any other defenders in the NBA at the PF/C position..

thats my point duncan is limited because of his speed and body. Sheed is able to guard fast PF. slower C and SF in the league. Duncan doesn't guard Amare, he cant guard West, Dirk, Garnett so which great players does he guard? shaq in the twilight of his career?..Even than pop had to go to hack a shaq...I remember David Robinson guarding Shaq when Duncan was younger so he never matched up with prime Shaq. One year he did guard Shaq was in 2004 and Shaq beat his ass. Duncan is the greatest PF of all time and great team defender swatting little guards out of the lane but against great bigs he struggles big time.

[HarlemHeat37]

the reason that Duncan doesn't guard the best bigs is the same reason nobody else guards the best player on the other team for the entire game..because in this NBA, the fouls come too easily..if you're a main contributor on offense, you can't pick up fouls and waste energy..

I know that Garnett only guarded Duncan a few times during their game earlier in the season, and Duncan the same..

Camby didn't consistently guard Duncan in last year's playoffs(mostly Nene)..Yao doesn't with Duncan..Howard does, but that's because they obviously won't put Lewis on him..Shaq in his prime didn't consistently guard Duncan..even for guards..Kobe doesn't consistently guard the other team's best player..you get my point..

Rasheed is a contributor offensively, but he isn't the main focus of Detroit's offense..I know how good of a defender he is though..I actually think he defends Timmy better than anybody in the NBA..everything Duncan got in the 2005 finals was extremely difficult..

those other examples aren't valid IMO..KG is my 2nd favorite player, and I remember him getting killed by Dirk in consecutive playoffs earlier in the decade, just like the way Duncan can't handle Dirk consistently..Amare does well on him as well, just like Amare does well against EVERYBODY that guards him..

Duncan's man defense can't be judged by competition, because the competition isn't good enough anyways..same with KG, same with Shaq..his defense is judged by being the anchor, rotational defender, post defender and help defender of the team IMO..you can only guess how he would have done in the past..

[Yadadimean]

I'm inclined to agree with the OP after the way he guarded Howard last night.

[Ryoga Hibiki]

Duncan is rarely on the opposite best offensive player because he has an outstanding impact as a help defender, better than anyone in the league.
Wallace is the best man defender in the post, while Garnett is the most versatile.

[Basileus777]

People need to stop using opponent PER as a legitimate stat, it doesn't mean anything. It doesn't account for who a player has to defend (ie are they hidden or guardian the best player, etc.) and its so defendant on team defense. There are no stats that can give you a picture of how good of a man defender a player is....

Sheed is probably best post defender in the NBA. He is also an excellent team defender. The problem is he isn't a dominant shot-blocker or rebounder. But it is a crime that he hasn't made 6 or 7 all-defensive teams.

[Icness]

Sheed is so good at defending off the ball, doing things like denying position, thwarting picks, taking away a passing lane, holding a cutter, stuff like that. He doesn't have the lateral mobility he used to and that shows when he's iso'd out high, but he still deserves a great deal more credit for his D than he gets.