Detroits arrogance: What drives them and...

Manocad · Post #61 » by **Manocad** » Wed May 14, 2008 2:24 am

srt4b wrote:No, there is a need. Ridiculous statements such as the ones in this thread should be called out.

Yep.

When you accuse a guy of sleeping with your girlfriend and tell his girlfriend that her boyfriend is cheating on her, then the guy proves to you that it wasn't him but actually your own brother who was banging your girlfriend, you should expect to get punched in the mouth.

Grey · Post #62 » by **Grey** » Wed May 14, 2008 6:05 am

Manocad wrote:Yep.

When you accuse a guy of sleeping with your girlfriend and tell his girlfriend that her boyfriend is cheating on her, then the guy proves to you that it wasn't him but actually your own brother who was banging your girlfriend, you should expect to get punched in the mouth.

An analogy like that can't be made up.

So which end of that punch were you on?

tmac4real · Post #63 » by **tmac4real** » Wed May 14, 2008 6:20 am

the fact that they are 4-1 doesn't change the fact that their arrogant/underestimate their opponents.

The Sixers series went longer than expected, and every single game in this series was close except for the one Orlando won. The series could be 3-2 Orlando for all you know if wasn't for a handful for plays.

Not making excuses, Detorit deserves to win but this part of their attitude will lead to the downfall.

jab · Post #64 » by **jab** » Wed May 14, 2008 6:27 am

tmac4real wrote:the fact that they are 4-1 doesn't change the fact that their arrogant/underestimate their opponents.

Stop confusing Detroit Basketball with DeShawn Stevenson

Hunter · Post #65 » by **Hunter** » Wed May 14, 2008 6:29 am

^Still spewing this same nonsense? IF the Pistons lose it's because they ran into a better team and got outplayed. Not because the Pistons were to cocky.

I dunno where this notion that if the Pistons simply focus they can beat anybody came from, but it's ridiculous. People act like the only reason they ever lose is because they are arrogant or something. Gimme a break. Sometimes you just get beat by a better team.

Post #66 » by **Snakebites** » Wed May 14, 2008 6:42 am

I can't stand the notion that this Orlando series is being called close just because the games were close.

No disrespect to the Magic who IMO are still a few years away, but beating the Magic 4-1 with our best player out 3 games isn't close. Its a washout.

This whole notion that the fact that the games were close can be used to validate ANY of the claims made early in this thread is nuts.

Oh, and the whole, this series could be 3-2 if ______ argument is just plain silly, too. Whatever the Magic might have done, they didn't.

Fer gosh sakes, people. Lets stay focused here. Deep down you know those arguments are wrong.

Might we lose to the Celtics or Cavs? Naturally. But it won't be because the team got too cocky.

Train Wreck · Post #67 » by **Train Wreck** » Wed May 14, 2008 7:12 am

tmac4real wrote:the fact that they are 4-1 doesn't change the fact that their arrogant/underestimate their opponents.

The Sixers series went longer than expected, and every single game in this series was close except for the one Orlando won.

Not making excuses, Detorit deserves to win but this part of their attitude will lead to the downfall.

Why stop there?

Surely Orlando could have won the series 4-1 by now....

The biggest advantage Detroit had in this series going in Chauncey's ability to abuse Nelson... We lost him and still won in 5 games..

We certainly didn't underestimate them... (Maybe we should have swept them without Billups?)

7r5ur · Post #68 » by **7r5ur** » Wed May 14, 2008 7:24 am

tmac4real wrote:
The Sixers series went longer than expected, and every single game in this series was close except for the one Orlando won. The series could be 3-2 Orlando for all you know if wasn't for a handful for plays.

Game 1 was a blowout as well in Detroit's favor. And the Pistons played 3 of the 5 games without their best player.

I don't see how anyone can say the Pistons were anything but impressive in this series.

SAKURABA216 · Post #69 » by **SAKURABA216** » Wed May 14, 2008 9:38 am

Im very proud of the Pistons, but they are where everyone expected them to be. That was the easy part of the playoffs and it only gets harder now. Its too soon to be celebrating, bring on the ECF and hopefully the finals afterwards.

mattyj · Post #70 » by **mattyj** » Wed May 14, 2008 10:16 am

Come on magic fans....give credit where credit is due

Pistons thoroughly outplayed the magic in the series, for the most part without Chauncey...

magicfan4life05 · Post #71 » by **magicfan4life05** » Wed May 14, 2008 10:26 am

mattyj wrote:Come on magic fans....give credit where credit is due

Pistons thoroughly outplayed the magic in the series, for the most part without Chauncey...

CONGRATULATIONS PISTONS!!!!!

great team as usual

i love sheed, rip, prince, chauncey

you guys now have a great bench

you guys were the better team from start, middle, and end

g/l the rest of the way!!!!
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ropjhk · Post #72 » by **ropjhk** » Wed May 14, 2008 1:10 pm

Albanian Damien wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Not that much. There is no way you can believe that if the Lakers hadn't imploded they still would've lost. Detroit was probably only the 3rd or 4th best team that year. The Pistons had a bunch of circumstances go their way. The Lakers implode, the Timberwolves weren't healthy so they couldn't get to the finals. You could even make a case for the Spurs being better that year but having to face a Lakers team at full strength in the 2nd round. In 04-05 was the year they really looked like a championship team but they had to lose to the Spurs in 7.

I would argue that after they acquired Sheed that season, they jumped to a different level. If they played the whole season the way they played after they got Wallace, nobody would be thinking of them as fluke champions.

Another factor that I think affects peoples perception is that the East representative were so weak in the previous five years. It was hard for people to conceive that the East would have any chance of winning a championship during the Western era of dominance. Fact is though that the 03-04 Pistons were by far the best team to represent the East since the Bulls.

With the defense they played, and team unity and chemistry they had, that 03-04 team was definitely more than worthy of their championship, and absolutely not a fluke.

ropjhk · Post #73 » by **ropjhk** » Wed May 14, 2008 1:27 pm

Hunter wrote:^Still spewing this same nonsense? IF the Pistons lose it's because they ran into a better team and got outplayed. Not because the Pistons were to cocky.

I dunno where this notion that if the Pistons simply focus they can beat anybody came from, but it's ridiculous. People act like the only reason they ever lose is because they are arrogant or something. Gimme a break. Sometimes you just get beat by a better team.

It's perhaps not arrogance, but there is definitely something going on. The reason people have this notion that you speak of is because the Pistons, for two years in a row, have lost in the ECF to teams that they were widely expected to handle easily. Because in 2006, after having such a dominant regular season, they were expected to easily beat the inexperience Cavs and instead were taken to 7 games.

I personally blame Flip Saunders for not being a playoff coach. He didn't have much playoff success in Minnesota either (and I know Wolves fans will be quick to point out that their team wasn't favored to win all those first round exits, but they weren't even that competitive for most of them).

L&H_05 · Post #74 » by **L&H_05** » Wed May 14, 2008 4:41 pm

The Pistons arrogance tends to go away when they see a strong defensive team, and their offense becomes mush...

Jackattaq · Post #75 » by **Jackattaq** » Wed May 14, 2008 5:09 pm

L&H_05 wrote:The Pistons arrogance tends to go away when they see a strong defensive team, and their offense becomes mush...

Actually I think it has more to do with playing a hard defensive team and not being allowed to play the same way against a so-called Superstar. If Superstars were as good as everyone says they are, why do they need preferential treatment from the refs? Why does LBJ need 4 steps enroute to a layup? Why does Wade get rewarded with free throws whenever he trips over his own feet. Why is Shaq allowed to lead with his elbow when he turns into his defender?

If it were just straight up defensive team vs defensive team and no superstar BS, I think I like the Pistons chances. I know several people that quit watching the NBA after the blatant preferential treatment Wade got against Dallas. As far as I'm concerned Miami didn't "WIN" anything. I'm not a Dallas fan at all, but they were ROBBED.