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Post#61 » by jlove_26 » Wed May 14, 2008 10:05 pm

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You're the one that's crazy if you think that a proven NBA player is worth less than an unproven 1-year college player. Becoming effective in the NBA isn't a granted. Barbosa is very effective.... to my mind Rose, Beasly and Mayo aren't yet, though if you want to show me video of Beasly posting up Duncan or Mayo scoring over Kobe I would be happy to recant.

In addition, the one thing you are failing to take into consideration is the fact that MD won't play rookies. Nada. Never. Tucker tore up the d-league all year but never once saw a credible minute in a meaningful game. Strawberry did, and was great on defense, but then he disappeared onto the abysmal bench. You're #5 means nothing to you now that you have MD. It's not a knock on Mike, just how he coaches.


Very well put in all aspects. Barbosa was the 6th man of the year last year, 2nd to Ginobili this year, which means he's not some marginal role player. He averages 15+pts, 2+asst, 2+rbs, 1+st while shooting 45%+ from the field, 38%+ from 3, and 82%+ from the line. He's a proven vet that can and should be able to command a 4-7 pick in just about any draft as I stated before.
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Post#62 » by moocow007 » Thu May 15, 2008 3:42 am

Walsh has already said several times since the Diaw, Barbosa "rumor" (read: nonsense) began that he is NOT trading a $22 million expiring contract for 2 players with 4 years left on his contract AND that he has told every head coaching candidate (yes, that means D'Antoni was well) during the interview process that he is NOT going to mortgage the future for any quick fixes. In fact Walsh seemed quite agitated (on the Mike & Mike radio show here in NY) that people would even think that he'd do something crazy like that.

So put this idea to bed and/or bury it. For those guys that don't want Marbury...you win...congratulations.

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It is so obvious that Walsh is aiming for the 2010 or 2011 free agent class that the only way it can be more obvious is if he staples it on his forehead. And adding two guys that will count $16 million against the cap in the summer of 2010 and $17 million against the cap in the summer of 2011 (especially non-franchise caliber players) is just ludicrous and I would'nt blame him for being ticked about the "rumor" (read: nonsense).

PS: And it already makes no sense for NY to trade for Barbosa and Diaw, they are certainly not also going to want Marko Jaric (are you kidding me...another $7.5 million against the cap in 2010) in there as well. :rofl:

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Post#63 » by b-ball forever » Thu May 15, 2008 1:39 pm

moocow007 wrote:Walsh has already said several times since the Diaw, Barbosa "rumor" (read: nonsense) began that he is NOT trading a $22 million expiring contract for 2 players with 4 years left on his contract AND that he has told every head coaching candidate (yes, that means D'Antoni was well) during the interview process that he is NOT going to mortgage the future for any quick fixes. In fact Walsh seemed quite agitated (on the Mike & Mike radio show here in NY) that people would even think that he'd do something crazy like that.



Trading for Barbs or Diaw wudn't be mortgaging the Knicks future at all since they're both still young and haven't entered their primes yet, specially Barbs since he's on a cheap contract

So put this idea to bed and/or bury it. For those guys that don't want Marbury...you win...congratulations.

Yeah, If a trade between the 2 teams goes down it def won't involve Marbury, that'd make ZERO sense for either team
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Post#64 » by moocow007 » Thu May 15, 2008 2:08 pm

b-ball forever wrote:Trading for Barbs or Diaw wudn't be mortgaging the Knicks future at all since they're both still young and haven't entered their primes yet, specially Barbs since he's on a cheap contract


But it really would. The Knicks are not in need of quality young players that aren't franchise level talents (which Diaw and Barbosa are not). They need a franchise level talent to build around. Their best way, aside from getting lucky in the draft, is to free up enough salary cap to sign one (which appears to be Walsh's plan). Taking on $16 million in the summer of 2010 and $17 million in the summer of 2011 (2 key FA summers for NY) is crazy.

Doesn't matter if Barbosa is on a cheap contract since NY already several young athletic combo guards already under contract (Crawford and Nate Robinson both have strengths that are best suited for D'Antoni's SSOL system...honestly even more so than Barbosa). Even just on a need standpoint, what they need is a PG which Barbosa (and obviously Diaw) is not (both Crawford and Robinson are much more apt at playing the PG position than Barbosa).

As far a Diaw goes, NY also has a plethora of athletic young front court players (Lee, Chandler, Balkman) as well as one (all of who can run and dunk and play uptempo), Zach Randolph, who is still under contract and must be jettisoned (aka what many people refer as the "Impossible Task") to make Diaw even remotely make sense.

Again, the article that popped up in the NY papers about this is rubbish. Walsh was vehement (eyes bugging and all) that there is no way he'd do this particular trade and that 2010 free agency is the main goal for NY.

There is no way he would take Diaw and Barbosa unless Phoenix takes similar length contracts (Randolph, Curry and Jeffries are the 3 players whose contracts extend for 3 more years). And even then they'd still be trading players with 3 years left on their contracts for players with 4 years left on the contracts (and 2011...even if they kept everyone they have...they'd see $25 million fall from their cap naturally...which would not happen even if they did the deals involving the players I just mentioned...and that has nothing to do with Phoenix not wanting them cause it would never even get to Kerr's desk for him to decline).

Diaw and Barbosa does what to help NY become a legit franchise? Exactly, not much of anything, so by trading for them and giving up on capspace that they could possibly throw at guys like Lebron, Wade and Bosh (aka guys that actually could help legitimize their franchise) is mortgaging their future...without a doubt.
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Post#65 » by Go7enKs » Thu May 15, 2008 2:26 pm

moocow is right. Trading for Barbosa or Diaw wouldn't be mortgaging the future of a franchise if it wasn't the Knicks...but given the Knicks cap situation it is clearly that. They made it clear that their plan is to go for LeBron or some other FA in 2010 and that's flat out impossible if they start trading expiring contracts for longer contracts. It's not about the value as players of Barbosa nad Diaw, is about the value of 22 milions coming off the cap next year for the Knicks, who need some cap relief as a thirsty man needs water in the middle of the desert.
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Post#66 » by moocow007 » Thu May 15, 2008 5:21 pm

Go7enKs wrote:moocow is right. Trading for Barbosa or Diaw wouldn't be mortgaging the future of a franchise if it wasn't the Knicks...but given the Knicks cap situation it is clearly that. They made it clear that their plan is to go for LeBron or some other FA in 2010 and that's flat out impossible if they start trading expiring contracts for longer contracts. It's not about the value as players of Barbosa nad Diaw, is about the value of 22 milions coming off the cap next year for the Knicks, who need some cap relief as a thirsty man needs water in the middle of the desert.


Pretty much. That man started going thirsty the minute Patrick Ewing was traded and really hasn't had a lick of water since. And Ewing was traded almost 8 years ago...so you can imagine how thirsty that man is. :D

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