Can Artest opt out and become a mav?

Xenopathic Investigator · Post #1 » by **Xenopathic Investigator** » Wed May 14, 2008 7:38 pm

Rick already said on a radio interview that he wouldn't mind coaching artest agian.If we get JO with stack + howard + eddie jones we become something we never were...

...dominant low post scoring team with reliable rebounding.

I think over the past few season we do well until the refs shut off the contact calls in the post season and then we lose or get injured.At least with JO and artest we will have more defense,high percentage low post scoring, and reliable rebounding. Dallas has to run to be a good team. If we can't rebound we can't run.Simple as that guys.Other coaches recognized this and adjusted. We need to do like-wise.

Jo gives us a starter that can score in the low post other than dirk. Can rebound the ball. Is a veteran that went to the finals and was disappointed(like dirk). Jermaine brings much needed size to our team.

Artest is a defensive specialist(he can THE guy that can somewhat contain the best scorer since jordan... kobe bryant).Artest guarding some of the more athletic small forwards and SGs we can better matchup with them.
Oh and he can shoot the 3 ball AND score.

We can't miss the train we need to pull the trigger on this.

dirkforpres · Post #2 » by **dirkforpres** » Wed May 14, 2008 8:00 pm

Jermaine O'Neal would be great if he could just stay healthy... Theres no way Artest signs with Dallas for the MLE though, he is worth much more than that, and that is all Dallas has to offer... Not to mention I have no doubt that they will offer it to Diop this offseason.

arkuo · Post #3 » by **arkuo** » Thu May 15, 2008 1:37 am

^^ i've also had thoughts bout a JO-artest reunion in big D... i just dont know how both would feel as JO had bad feelings towards artest when he demanded his way out of indy before....

but that would be a sick frontcourt... JO, dirk, artest.... damn...

JES12 · Post #4 » by **JES12** » Thu May 15, 2008 1:50 am

I have no idea what the OP is proposing.

Artest for the MLE? I doubt he take a paycut and a S&T would be for Howard....at best (being a homer) Terry.

And then JO is mentioned, but is mentioning we need rebounding and then trades the 3rd best rebouning SF in the entire NBA? WTF? We have Howard 7.0 RPG, Dampier 7.5 reb in 24 min (Bass grabbing 4.4 in 19.7 min when Damp is out), Kidd, 7.5 RPG, and Dirk to grab what's left (8.6 RPG). Out of all the problems this team has....and there are a lot of problems, rebounding just is not one of them.

See, Dever is best in the league and Dallas is the #2 rebounding team.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/statistic ... asontype=3

Edit: Throughout the 42 games JO played this year, he had 6.7 reb in 28.7 min compared to Dampier with 7.5 reb in 24 min.

arkuo · Post #5 » by **arkuo** » Thu May 15, 2008 2:07 am

JES12 wrote:I have no idea what the OP is proposing.

Edit: Throughout the 42 games JO played this year, he had 6.7 reb in 28.7 min compared to Dampier with 7.5 reb in 24 min.

i know where your coming from JES.. but to be fair to JO, he's been carrying indy's offensive load compared to what dampier is on our team... its like lebron or kobe slacking a bit on defense coz they're spending energy by taking care of the offense... not tp mention JO has been playing PF in indy with foster or murphy... of course compared to dampier who plays center for us with dirk outside...

like ive said before, imagine if we had a big guy like dampier who can actually catch the ball in the post... imagine kidd ditching a dime to JO in the paint while dirk takes double teams leaving JO in the middle... not to mention dirk has a pretty nice passing game too... its about time dallas got some offensive production from the center position... dirk, JO and kidd would be sick.. add artest to that mix and i'd die from happiness.. but those two would take a lot of our assets... just not sure how donnie would make them fit together with the little assets we have left....

JES12 · Post #6 » by **JES12** » Thu May 15, 2008 2:18 am

LOL! Murphy, Tinsley, Dunleavy, Granger all very good on offense. JO hardley carried the load in Indy.

Post #7 » by **HMFFL** » Thu May 15, 2008 2:53 am

Ron Artest probably still wants to be a Knick. They even tried to trade for him this season but the Kings rejected the offer.

JapanAir21 · Post #8 » by **JapanAir21** » Thu May 15, 2008 6:45 am

I never got the whole "Sign Artest for MLE," thing, he's worth much more than that. JO+Dirk+Artest+whoever we got left on this team, I'd like that core. The only thing is GETTING him, unless we include Bass (which I think none of us really WANT to do), I don't see how we can make an attractive offer.

Imagine the line-up of Kidd, Artest, Bass, Dirk, JO.

Beefy. Imagine the rebounding on that team. WOW.

BMiller52 · Post #9 » by **BMiller52** » Thu May 15, 2008 11:09 am

It would cost you atleast Howard and he probably won't opt out from Sac anyway. We like him a lot so even if he did, he said he would give the Kings the 1st chance to re-sign him. He doesn't want to leave, NO WAY he takes the MLE.

As a Kings fan I doubt I'd take Howard for Ron anyway. Howard had a dreadful post season, had that (Please Use More Appropriate Word) slip up where he admitted to smoking marijuana, and Ron hasn't done anything harmful to his team in a while.

arkuo · Post #10 » by **arkuo** » Thu May 15, 2008 1:02 pm

^^ if artest would cost the mavs josh, then i think the mavs would pass.. dallas could get a bit more than ron artest for josh howard.. and they just shouldnt trade josh just for the sake of trading him.. in recent articles, carlisle seems interested in josh and have had a couple of meetings with him, so i doubt he gets shipped... and if he does, its going to be selling low..

on the other hand, there's no way ron takes the MLE either... so if dallas wants artest, it would have to be another route..

Post #11 » by **HMFFL** » Thu May 15, 2008 2:38 pm

Artest, 29 in November, is like 99.9999 percent of all people: He wants to get paid.

The Kings basically are sitting back and waiting for forward Ron Artest and his agent, Mark Stevens, to decide whether to accept the final year ($8.45 million) of his contract or opt for free agency.

"I'm sure Mark is going to do his due diligence, and they will decide what they are going to do," Kings basketball president Geoff Petrie said. "They have up to June 30 to make a notification of their decision."

Here's the deal: Artest, 29 in November, is like 99.9999 percent of all people: He wants to get paid. Preferably, it would be here because he likes it here, and the Kings, the owners of his Larry Bird rights, can pay him the most. Yet if the Kings won't sign him to a long-term deal, Artest probably would prefer to go someplace where that is a possibility.

Link

your_dallas_mavericks · Post #12 » by **your_dallas_mavericks** » Thu May 15, 2008 4:08 pm

If he accepts the final year of his deal then going into this season this makes him an expiring. A sign-and-trade would allow him to still get paid and keep his Bird rights. Sign and trade Jones and Terry for Artest. Then trade Damp, Josh Howard, and Stackhouse to Indiana for JO and Quisy Daniels.

Kidd/Barea?/Sebuitis
Artest/Quisy/R. Terry
Dirk/George/Wright?
Bass/Juwan Howard?/2nd Rd Pick?
JO/Diop?/Allen?

Killer starting lineup with a bench of Quisy, George, and Diop for primary minutes. Quisy and Stack match so if you don't want to include Stack you don't have to. You can insert his name in place of Quisy's if you wish...

Post #13 » by **HMFFL** » Thu May 15, 2008 4:10 pm

YDM,

Why would Sacramento want Jason Terry when they have Kevin Martin at the 2? Remember, it's not like Jason is a true pure guard, so I don't see him fitting into the Kings system. Beno Udrih at the 1 over Jason looks like the wiser decision at this point and I see no reason why they would want to pay Jason to come off the bench.

Josh Howard is the one that goes if Sacramento has any interest.

JES12 · Post #14 » by **JES12** » Thu May 15, 2008 5:08 pm

BMiller52 wrote:It would cost you atleast Howard and he probably won't opt out from Sac anyway. We like him a lot so even if he did, he said he would give the Kings the 1st chance to re-sign him. He doesn't want to leave, NO WAY he takes the MLE.

As a Kings fan I doubt I'd take Howard for Ron anyway. Howard had a dreadful post season, had that (Please Use More Appropriate Word) slip up where he admitted to smoking marijuana, and Ron hasn't done anything harmful to his team in a while.

LOL at you trying to get Howard at a TEMPORARY all time low for a guy who has had and will always have mental problems whether he wants to get it diagnosed or not.

Your wording should be changed...if you want Howard, you will have to give "at least" Artest, not Dallas having to give

eierluke · Post #15 » by **eierluke** » Thu May 15, 2008 5:57 pm

There are many trades that would work, condition: Kidd needs to be included.
Let's face it, Kidd wont lead the Mavs anywhere near a title, he in fact is not much more anymore than an ending contract - which has some value in the NBA.

To me some kind of a
Kidd, and Howard
for
Artest, Miller and Thomas
deal wouldn't sound all that bad.

Poor mens Jason Kidd: Chris Duhon could be signed to act at PG for at least 25 or so minutes

your_dallas_mavericks · Post #16 » by **your_dallas_mavericks** » Thu May 15, 2008 7:26 pm

HMFFL wrote:YDM,

Why would Sacramento want Jason Terry when they have Kevin Martin at the 2? Remember, it's not like Jason is a true pure guard, so I don't see him fitting into the Kings system. Beno Udrih at the 1 over Jason looks like the wiser decision at this point and I see no reason why they would want to pay Jason to come off the bench.

Josh Howard is the one that goes if Sacramento has any interest.

Switch out Terry and Josh and it would work...

Post #17 » by **HMFFL** » Thu May 15, 2008 9:17 pm

your_dallas_mavericks wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Switch out Terry and Josh and it would work...

The problem with that is theres no real age gap between Ron and Josh. Even still, Ron has more value, and that's another issue that's going to come up if trade talks started. The Kings would need to consider all the options and most likely they lean towards keeping Ron Artest over Josh Howard.

Dirkenstien41 · Post #18 » by **Dirkenstien41** » Thu May 15, 2008 9:18 pm

How about this?:

Dallas Gets:
Ron Artest

Toronto Gets:
Josh Howard

Sacramento Gets:
T.J. Ford
Raptors #17 pick

Works out for all teams involved.

BMiller52 · Post #19 » by **BMiller52** » Thu May 15, 2008 9:26 pm

JES12 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

LOL at you trying to get Howard at a TEMPORARY all time low for a guy who has had and will always have mental problems whether he wants to get it diagnosed or not.

Your wording should be changed...if you want Howard, you will have to give "at least" Artest, not Dallas having to give