The Offseason Thread (trade ideas, articles, news etc.)

[drsd]

Orlando Magic shooting guard J.J. Redick expects to return next season, but he didn't back off his request to be traded if he can't find playing time.

"I want to play. There were a lot of things that were said last summer and in the preseason, you know, and I thought I was going to play. It didn't happen," Redick said.

"I'm certainly not going to sit there and hear the same stuff and think I'm going to get the same results. I'm going to put some of this on myself to get better, but there's got to be an opportunity for me to get on the court.

Fair enough, but here is a response from GM Smith.

I do think he's a pretty good guard. He's a backup 2 [shooting guard].

O-Sen: Redick: Play me or trade me

The extended version is even more sharp:

Magic General Manager Otis Smith still wants Redick to be patient. With Evans an unrestricted free agent and Bogans a restricted free agent (who is likely to return), Smith said Redick, "could easily go from the third guy to the first guy.

"We do think he

[damo[23]]

Personally I still think we should keep him.

In most team sports I follow I rarely see the need in having 2 or 3 "similar" players coming off the bench, if its not working fresh legs or the hope that 1 has a hot hand isnt going to get it done. The concept of bench players, or rather a good bench is to have options.

As much as I like Mo, Kebo and Kedo they all offer similar things; energy, defense and a small offensive game [all over lap each other in similar ways]. When I look the bench I'd want to completely go the other way.

A little part of me also things that if we had a great defensive PG we probably wouldnt be so reserved about his D. Which is why as a 2nd unit Dooling and Redick for the offense to me doesnt seem that bad [read: 2nd unit- primarily not going up against starters].

[paperboymafia]

i think he'd be a great spark off the bench. give him 18-20 mins a game.

[maginno]

Everyone is being diplomatic most of all JJ. I think he is gone. Yeah he probably may be a bench player but as a player with only a year under a good coach and extremely limited minutes I don't see any real reason for Otis to be telling the media that he's a back up. Not that he can't think so and even be right. It just doesn't serve any function to announce it the media.

When you put that with what he says about our free agent guards it becomes obvious that he would be valued only if they find themselves with no one else. So Smith is actually saying that JJ is a inferior back up guard . I don't know. I still don't get the logical function of telling a player what he can't be unless he is on his way out. Not a second year player anyway.


JJ will bolt at the first opportunity and as he made clear he intends to be very vocal if he doesn't get minutes early next year as a part of his exit strategy. Just a big distraction waiting to happen. Personally I don't blame the kid. Its his life and his career. If the Magic were going to go and answer its three point shooting needs by brining in a SF there was no reason to draft him.

[zuppafly]

So... he went from untradable on the deadline to " a backup SG" behind Bogans in 3 months time?

lol
yep, that trade deadline keeps his place as the worst Otis move/non-move to me.

[damo[23]]

Everyone is being diplomatic most of all JJ. I think he is gone.

When it gets to this stage its hard to see how we can keep him AND keep him happy. While he'd play well I am sure - we've treated him pretty badly for 2 years [considering he is the type of guy you have to give a chance to see what he's like really].

Pretty certain if we let him go the next time we see him will be on the recieving end of a lights out night.

[maginno]

So... he went from untradable on the deadline to " a backup SG" behind Bogans in 3 months time?

lol
yep, that trade deadline keeps his place as the worst Otis move/non-move to me.

Good point. I had entirely forgotten about that. Does seem like he just makes things up as he goes along.

[LBPTarHeel27]

The way Bogans played in the playoffs...even I am not so sure that JJ would not have done a better job.

[MagiChamps]

If we draft CDR I'd be fine with letting Mogans go and give JJ a shot as a backup.

[Typhoon20]

You know what...

I'd love for him get some playing time, consistently. Like 10+ games with consistent minutes, like 20+ and see what he brings. Letting him play 10 min every 10th game won't give us a fair view of his abilities. We need to see more of him to make a judgement.

[MagicStarwipe]

I say at least give him a chance. He can't be any worse than Bogans.

[zuppafly]

What I'd like to see from him on the Magic would be not only a few nights with consistent minutes but also a gameplan when he's on the court that doesn't involve him running around like a madman only to use a screen so he can catch and shoot in 0.0005 seconds and off-balance like he has to do everytime he gets on the court.
Seriously, it got on my nerves when I saw the few games he got in and the same play kept being done for him: Arroyo or Dooling stopping the ball and waiting a few steps after midcourt and Redick running around 14598346 defenders only to catch a few centimeters free behind the arc so he could catch and shoot an ill-advised shot.

Why couldn't they simply play "normal" and see what he could do in a "normal" gameflow?

[Typhoon20]

I think that's slightly because he hasn't played at all and the expectations are high, and he keeps playing like he is in a hurry to prove the doubters wrong, to do something good ASAP. I think that's why he's so nervous playing the game.

The best thing would be to give him consistent minutes, let him feel ''safe'' and that he doesn't have to force things. Maybe things would change for the better.

[BassMaster]

And the DeVos family are also saying keep Redick. Redick seems to want to stay in Orlando and play. I think like most players he just wants to play even if it as a backup. Lets see what he can do that is what most of want I think and yes with some kind of plan unlike what SVG has been doing.
Hey if Kover can get his shots in a planned play why not Redick.

[MagicStarwipe]

What I'd like to see from him on the Magic would be not only a few nights with consistent minutes but also a gameplan when he's on the court that doesn't involve him running around like a madman only to use a screen so he can catch and shoot in 0.0005 seconds and off-balance like he has to do everytime he gets on the court.
Seriously, it got on my nerves when I saw the few games he got in and the same play kept being done for him: Arroyo or Dooling stopping the ball and waiting a few steps after midcourt and Redick running around 14598346 defenders only to catch a few centimeters free behind the arc so he could catch and shoot an ill-advised shot.

Why couldn't they simply play "normal" and see what he could do in a "normal" gameflow?

Good point. The answer I would say is because he is rarely if ever on the court with guys like Dwight, Shard, Hedo and Jameer. That's when he could really shine IMO. Instead of Bogans and Evans getting those open jumpers it would be JJ.

[maginno]

The way Bogans played in the playoffs...even I am not so sure that JJ would not have done a better job.

Wow And thats really saying something

[maginno]

The best thing would be to give him consistent minutes, let him feel ''safe'' and that he doesn't have to force things. Maybe things would change for the better.

Yeah but its just not going to happen. Bogans isn't going to opt out. Unless someone throws a checkbook at Evans he's be back and Otis has already said we have two MLEs with Batiie returning. SO we are going to plug those in and believe we are set and go about playing games like we did this season. Hence JJ will get no minutes.

[BassMaster]

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Yeah but its just not going to happen. Bogans isn't going to opt out. Unless someone throws a checkbook at Evans he's be back and Otis has already said we have two MLEs with Battie returning. SO we are going to plug those in and believe we are set and go about playing games like we did this season. Hence JJ will get no minutes.

I disagree I think that Evans is history with the Magic (his agent doesn't seem to get along with Otis) and Bogans either opts out or he becomes the real trade bait since he was the one who showed what he has to offer another team not Redick.
Plus Bogans and Evans may be looking at their last chance for a bigger payout then either have ever seen just look at their ages and you will see the clock ticking for both of them.
Oh yea pick up Robin Lopez in the draft and he provides the fiery emotion for defense that lets someone like Redick to really play.
Hence Redick will get his playing time with the Magic.

[sportsrock37]

What I'd like to see from him on the Magic would be not only a few nights with consistent minutes but also a gameplan when he's on the court that doesn't involve him running around like a madman only to use a screen so he can catch and shoot in 0.0005 seconds and off-balance like he has to do everytime he gets on the court.
Seriously, it got on my nerves when I saw the few games he got in and the same play kept being done for him: Arroyo or Dooling stopping the ball and waiting a few steps after midcourt and Redick running around 14598346 defenders only to catch a few centimeters free behind the arc so he could catch and shoot an ill-advised shot.

Why couldn't they simply play "normal" and see what he could do in a "normal" gameflow?

Isn't he best coming off of screens though? Watching him at Duke I just thought that put him in the best places to shoot. The game flow for us is our SG standing at the 3 point line and waiting for someone to double team Dwight or help with penetration, the person on JJ won't do that, because everyone knows how deadly he is with a wide open look. Also JJ doesn't seem like the type of guy who can create for himself. Screening just seems like the best way to get him the ball, IMO.

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Good point. The answer I would say is because he is rarely if ever on the court with guys like Dwight, Shard, Hedo and Jameer. That's when he could really shine IMO. Instead of Bogans and Evans getting those open jumpers it would be JJ.

The only problem with that though is that he would be 3rd option at absolute best(if one of the big 3 is sitting) and likely 4th or 5th. What is the point of playing JJ if he isn't going to get the ball? He's obviously not in because of his defense or rebounding. If we get a defensive minded big backup PG and play him with Dwight, Battie, and a SF not named Lewis or Turk he would be effective. If he is in the game, he has to get the ball as a top 2 option, because he is a volume shooter. That's why he hasn't gotten much PT in Orlando thus far, because he'd be the 4 option in most of our rotations.

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Yeah but its just not going to happen. Bogans isn't going to opt out. Unless someone throws a checkbook at Evans he's be back and Otis has already said we have two MLEs with Batiie returning. SO we are going to plug those in and believe we are set and go about playing games like we did this season. Hence JJ will get no minutes.

I agree unfortunately, which is why I hope we trade him so he can get PT somewhere else, while giving us compensation for our 13th man(as evidenced by him being the only player able to play in street clothes against Detroit). I hope we trade him to a place that would give him a chance.

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I disagree I think that Evans is history with the Magic (his agent doesn't seem to get along with Otis) and Bogans either opts out or he becomes the real trade bait since he was the one who showed what he has to offer another team not Redick.
Plus Bogans and Evans may be looking at their last chance for a bigger payout then either have ever seen just look at their ages and you will see the clock ticking for both of them.
Oh yea pick up Robin Lopez in the draft and he provides the fiery emotion for defense that lets someone like Redick to really play.
Hence Redick will get his playing time with the Magic.

While that sounds good, don't you think we will use either our draft pick or MLE on a SG/SF if we dont' resign Evans? JJ's stock is higher than Bogans regardless of PT, because of his collegiate career. I don't see anyone really wanting Bogans unless he is a filler in a bigger trade, so I think Bogans will be back next year. So essentially I think JJ will be in the same situation as last year with Evans or a MLE SG back or even worse if we draft a SG to basically take his spot.

[magicfan4life05]

I do think he's a pretty good guard. He's a backup 2 [shooting guard].

haha cmon otis!! you couldve suckered some team into thinking he was a starting shooting guard

seriously, I dont know why/how he would make a statement like that which kinda lowers his value (i know i know does he really have any? still) and then attempt to trade redick this offseason.

So I guess I would interpret that that he will be here next season b/c he's more valuable to us, than what he could possibly bring us in a trade with his low trade value.