How are we doing to beat Detroit if we're having hard time..

ermocrate · Post #21 » by **ermocrate** » Thu May 15, 2008 8:10 pm

humblebum wrote:The biggest difference against the Pistons is that Pierce, our most valuable offensive weapon, will not be guarded by Lebron James and will not have to guard Lebron James. Pierce vs. TayShaun goes hugely infavor of the Celtics and its the Celtics best hope in beating the Pistons because it will allow the Celtics to establish themselves much better than they've been able to in this series.

If PP scores hardly against LBJ, then he's not gonna score against Tayshaun, he's a much much much better defender, plus KG is gonna have an hard time scoring over Sheed, Ray it's gonna have and hard time try to defend Rip's mutiple blocks game... I predict HARD TIMES expecially if Billups will be back.

Gant · Post #22 » by **Gant** » Thu May 15, 2008 8:24 pm

There's no doubt the Pistons series will be difficult. Detroit is very good.

The Celtics have not played well in the postseason so far. They did show some signs of getting more motion into the offense in the last game. If they do start playing better they can win against anyone.

GuyClinch · Post #23 » by **GuyClinch** » Thu May 15, 2008 11:08 pm

No. Pierce can score fine on Tayshaun. As I said before 99% of the time Pierce is either stronger then his opponent or faster. He uses these physical advantages to dominate in the NBA.

He simply cannot do that against Lebron. Lebron is faster then Pierce AND stronger. This doesn't even happen with Kobe.

pete

GuyClinch · Post #24 » by **GuyClinch** » Thu May 15, 2008 11:11 pm

The answer is that the opponent doesn't matter. It's all about how WE play. When we play together, aggresively, with energy, and focused on defense, nobody in the NBA can beat us. Nobody. It's really not even close. The problem is, in the playoffs, we only seem to play that way at home. And that not even all the time. And when we don't play that way, we get smacked by the Hawks.

Agreed. The C's just need to get their act together and the problems will iron themselves out. I don't think Doc's rotations are helping matters much. He gets very 'stubborn" once he has decided on something..

Pete

ermocrate · Post #25 » by **ermocrate** » Thu May 15, 2008 11:13 pm

ermocrate wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

If PP scores hardly against LBJ, then he's not gonna score against Tayshaun, he's a much much much better defender, plus KG is gonna have an hard time scoring over Sheed, Ray it's gonna have and hard time try to defend Rip's mutiple blocks game... I predict HARD TIMES expecially if Billups will be back.

I was obviously ironic.

dinoz · Post #26 » by **dinoz** » Thu May 15, 2008 11:31 pm

Do not overlook who Detroit has been playing--Orlando, a very soft, jump-shooting team. Detroit had 3 turnovers in the last game--a clear indication of how Orlando played on defense. Dwight Howard seemed disinterested for long stretches as well. With Billups a bit dinged, the Celts match up very well with Detroit especially inside. Doc is getting Big Baby warmed now so Baby can play meaningful minutes in the next series.

rambo_ortega · Post #27 » by **rambo_ortega** » Fri May 16, 2008 12:17 am

it's a totally different series. although the cavs are looking really good with their current team and is even better than the cavs team that beat detroit a year ago so i think we still have a good chance.

TheCelticTruth · Post #28 » by **TheCelticTruth** » Fri May 16, 2008 2:01 am

apples and oranges...

plus lets not sleep on the fact that the hawks are probably the most talented 36 win team ive ever seen. like the clip show, they just keep adding top 10 picks. thats a lot of talent. maybe they just werent that motivated all year (i think their coaching sucks) and the chance to make some noise in the postseason got them up in arms.

wouldnt be shocked if that 36 W is 46 W next year

GuyClinch · Post #29 » by **GuyClinch** » Fri May 16, 2008 2:04 am

it's a totally different series. although the cavs are looking really good with their current team and is even better than the cavs team that beat detroit a year ago so i think we still have a good chance.

If Detroit is better then us (and yet unchanged) and Cavs are now better then last year - it stands to reason that we would have lost game 5. After all they beat Detroit last year..

The Cavs are perhaps more likable to some but unless the beat us and Detroit and return to the finals they are worse this year then last.

Pete

Rocky5000 · Post #30 » by **Rocky5000** » Fri May 16, 2008 3:11 am

Only us, the pistons, and the cavs(2 games better) had better home records than the Hawks during the regular season. They were a good home team this year, but very poor on the road.(As we learned in the first round)

I think Pierce will do very well with the Tayshaun matchup. So far this year, Paul has been able to shut Prince down, and still have big offensive games. Prince isn't strong enough to keep him out of the paint(he can't keep anyone out of the paint), and he relies upon his long arms to bother shots once a player gets in the paint. It's almost like Prince allows the other player to get into the paint on purpose. You saw what he did when he blocked Hedo. He was waiting the whole time for the block. Pierce, unlike Hedo, will be able to do things other than shoot the ball, like find Davis and KG open around the basket. It was a similar story last year with the Cavs. Get a strong/smart SF into the lane versus the Pistons and the defense will cave.

ilikepistonslol · Post #31 » by **ilikepistonslol** » Fri May 16, 2008 7:07 am

DieselCeltic wrote:its funny how the pistons fans over at their forums believe it will be so easy against us.

you could almost say the same for the posters here, basing crap off of a regular season series. both sides are guilty.

spf211 wrote:A Pistons/Celtics series really is going to come down to the players because the bad coaching between Flip Saunders and Doc Rivers will cancel itself out.

lmfao. the true clash of the titan(ic)s; who sinks farther; Doc or Flip?

threrf23 · Post #32 » by **threrf23** » Fri May 16, 2008 9:46 am

MyInsatiableOne wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

We are one stupid bone-headed Tony Allen foul away from having swept the Pistons in the season. And Detroit seems to rely too much on their "experience" and overlooks teams/games. I think we beat them in 5 or 6.

In fairness to Tony Allen, people forget that he made a really nice defensive play just before that to make sure we were in a position to possibly win.

Before the playoffs, I ranked the Pistons the third toughest matchup for us in the East behind Cleveland and Washington...not that I think Washington's great but we match up well with the Pistons. They have no dominant bigman - KG can shut down Rasheed and Perk is certainly strong enough to shut down whoever else is in the front court with him. Billups/Hamilton/Prince are underrated offensive players, but one-on-one individually they are nothing amazing. They play great team offense, but team defense is where we excel.

On the other end, Jason Maxiell perhaps might be able to bother KG, but....Prince is an overrated defender that can't do all too much against PP, and Hamilton is weak, he can't guard Ray by himself....unless Ray is getting 40+ minutes per game and is even more tired than usual after chasing Rip around screens on the defensive end...

Billups is a good player, but he can't single-handedly win the series against us.

The question is, what happens against the Spurs (or whoever) if we get past the Pistons. Our current level of play and Doc's current level of decision making won't cut it then.