OT: NBA All-Thugs Team

lskware · Post #1 » by **lskware** » Thu May 15, 2008 3:05 pm

Here's my starting line-up:

1. Stephon Marbury
2. Ron Artest
3. Paul Pierce
4. Rasheed Wallace
5. Alonzo Mourning

Bench: Stephen Jackson, Theo Ratliff, Baron Davis, Robert Horry, and Zaza

mhectorgato · Post #2 » by **mhectorgato** » Thu May 15, 2008 3:07 pm

I think we differing definitions of what a thug is ...

AI and Melo to start off with should be there.

lskware · Post #3 » by **lskware** » Thu May 15, 2008 3:27 pm

yeah, i was thinking of AI, too. but who in that list do you think not a thug, other than Zaza, which is an obvious joke.

mhectorgato · Post #4 » by **mhectorgato** » Thu May 15, 2008 3:29 pm

lskware wrote:yeah, i was thinking of AI, too. but who in that list do you think not a thug, other than Zaza, which is an obvious joke.

Pierce & Zo. Wallace is better categorized as a mentally unstable player.

Melo should be there. You've already got S Jackson.

When I think of thug I think of off-court not on-court.

I don't follow players personal lives much unless it makes head-lines.

Max Power · Post #5 » by **Max Power** » Thu May 15, 2008 3:52 pm

I guess my definition of a thug and you guys are totally different. Zo wouldn't be a thug, when was the last time that dude got in trouble. He's a class act. Here's my all thug team.

Melo
Stephen Jackson
Ron Artest
Stephon Marbury
Allen Iverson

And on a totally different front...My all-class team

C: Dwight Howard
PF: Tim Duncan
SF: Shane Battier
SG: Dwayne Wade
PG: Derek Fisher

magicmamma · Post #6 » by **magicmamma** » Thu May 15, 2008 4:12 pm

I'm pretty sure the OP was talking about on-court thugs, which is a much more interesting question.

DMannOC · Post #7 » by **DMannOC** » Thu May 15, 2008 4:20 pm

J.R. Smith needs to be on this team as well

Dwightmare · Post #8 » by **Dwightmare** » Thu May 15, 2008 4:23 pm

lskware wrote:Here's my starting line-up:

1. Stephon Marbury
2. Ron Artest
3. Paul Pierce
4. Rasheed Wallace
5. Alonzo Mourning

Bench: Stephen Jackson, Theo Ratliff, Baron Davis, Robert Horry, and Zaza

That looks like the All-Schizo/Bipolar team

01Magic01 · Post #9 » by **01Magic01** » Thu May 15, 2008 4:33 pm

Just put the Nuggets down for the all thug team. They got AI, Melo, JR Smith, Anthony Carter, and Kenyon Martin.

Jackattaq · Post #10 » by **Jackattaq** » Thu May 15, 2008 5:08 pm

So is there a difference between a THUG and a GOON?

I think of GOONS as wanna be tough guys that lack in skill and try to make up for it in PHYSICALITY.

So would a THUG just be someone of low character that seems to find his way into trouble often?

PUNKS IMO are those that do something and then run away from their
actions. Like the Melo punch last year against the Knicks (?). Punks won't man up and are prone to taking cheapshots. There are several of them in the NBA.

mhectorgato · Post #11 » by **mhectorgato** » Thu May 15, 2008 5:17 pm

Jackattaq wrote:PUNKS IMO are those that do something and then run away from their
actions. Like the Melo punch last year against the Knicks (?). Punks won't man up and are prone to taking cheapshots. There are several of them in the NBA.

I always thought of Nate as a punk ... I might have to rethink that ...

NEM · Post #12 » by **NEM** » Thu May 15, 2008 5:59 pm

pg=iverson
sg=stephen jackson
sf=anthony
pf=r.wallace
c=eddy curry

Post #13 » by **Dome** » Thu May 15, 2008 8:38 pm

I don't think Theo Ratliff, Baron Davis, Robert Horry and Zaza Pachulia are 'thugs', to be honest.

I'd definitely put Carmelo Anthony and Allen Iverson on the list, though. Zach Randolph too probably.

MoGrAdY · Post #14 » by **MoGrAdY** » Fri May 16, 2008 12:56 am

Wheres nate Robinson?

SoulJah · Post #15 » by **SoulJah** » Fri May 16, 2008 6:05 am

I think my all-thug team would be

pg - iverson
sg - stephen jackson
sf - anthony
pf - kenyon martin
c - randolph

on the opposite end the all goodie-goodie team

pg - nash
sg - ray allen
sf - grant hill/kapono or john salmons
pf - bosh
c - duncan/howard

Post #16 » by **SD2042** » Fri May 16, 2008 7:53 am

Top Five Thugs in no order

Ron Artest
Allen Iverson
J.R. Smith
Nate Robinson
Rasheed Wallace

Top Five Punks Dishonorable Mention

Carmelo Anthony
Ricky Davis
Stephon Marbury
Zach Randolph
Eddy Curry

drsd · Post #17 » by **drsd** » Fri May 16, 2008 8:16 am

The first thing I thought of here was who fouled the most. So I looked it up:

1) Mikki Moore at 3.8 PFPG (310 total fouls)
2) Shaquille O'Neal at 3.7 PFPG (228 total fouls)
3) Amare Stoudemire at 3.7 PFPG (294 total fouls)

Dwight's 9th at 274 total and 3.3 PFPG

So, fouling alone is not goonish I guess.

....

So, how about flagrant fouls:
Matt Barnes at 5
Kenyon Martin, Lamar Odom, Jamaal Tinsley all at 3.

Still not a total indicator of goonishness.

..;...

The best indicators appear to be both ejections and technical fouls.

Baron Davis, Rasheed Wallace, Carmelo Anthony, Kenyon Martin, Ron Artest, and Chris Kaman can be seen high on these lists.

But who is the leader?
It's Mr. MVP Kobe Bryant. He got 15 Technical and 2 ejections. And is this year's most goonish player. Interesting, as this is not media nor fan perceived.