Trading the #2

[deeney0]

Blount worked fine with KG. Best C KG ever played with in Minnesota, and the best Mark Blount ever looked in his career.

[andyhop]

I would at least consider something like:

Heinrich
Noah
#9 (Gallinari?)
(maybe even a future #1?)

for

Beasley
Jaric
Filler

I don't see the need to take on a longer ,much higher deal in the form of Hinrich to move Jaric in this sort of deal.

If you are open to trading the pick something like

Noah,#9,Gooden for Jaric,#2 makes a lot more sense.

Wolves dump Jaric for an expiring that they could probably move for something with Gooden being a semi-useful player alongside his contract status, and get Noah and the #9 for the #2.

Neither Noah or the #9 are likely to become stars in the league whereas Beasley could become one which makes it probably more risk than it is worth.

[Basti]

Blount worked fine with KG. Best C KG ever played with in Minnesota, and the best Mark Blount ever looked in his career.

wow reading this makes me sad in two ways. the first one is that KG made scrubs so much better and the second one is that mark friggin blount was our best center ever... oh my god! aside from his great stretch at the beginning of 2007 he wasn't really good...

[Krapinsky]

Blount worked fine with KG. Best C KG ever played with in Minnesota, and the best Mark Blount ever looked in his career.

Best C? Not by along shot. I thought KG was most effective with Ervin Johnson and even more effective with Rasho. Blount had better offensive numbers, but his lack of an inside presence put a lot more weight on KGs shoulders. Perkins is another example of the type of C that is great next to KG.

[shrink]

You guys make good points, but I think that Blount was, sadly, the best center in Wolves history too. In January and February of 2007, Blount was far far better than anything we've ever had. I agree that Ervin Johnson was a great center for complimenting KG, but a center needs to be more than that, and by himself, Johnson was extremely limited. Rasho's under-rated for the time he was here.

For me to consider trading the #2 to CHI, Noah HAS to be in the deal. Tyrus and their pick don't do it for me. I just read that Noah has the same agent as our FLA guys, Corey Brewer and Chris Richard, and not a lot of other clients. That can't hurt with homebody McHale.

[shrink]

I don't know if I posted this link yet, but here's an article from a couple years ago that looks historically at the level of player you can expect with a specific pick. An average #2 pick might be somebody like Tyson Chandler or Antonio McDyess. The writer (from 2006) estimated that over the last 20 years, at the #2 pick, there has been three superstars (Kidd, Payton and Mourning) and 8 busts (such as Darko, Strom Swift, Shawn Bradley).

http://www.82games.com/nbadraft2.htm

I think the #2 is hard to evalute right now, since we don't know what kind of career Rose or Beasley will have. However, looking over 20 years of draft data gives us a better feel, because we can see how real players picked at that spot did over their careers.

[Blame Rasho]

I don't think you should trade the number two unless you get a legit allstar/ all nba player back.

[GopherIt!]

good point Rasho.

How about trading Beasley for Rudy Gay? Gay has all star potential and a Gay - Brewer wing combo would offer great length and flexibility, especially on defense. Beasley would be a nice fit in Memphis and they have their own pick along with the wing depth (Miller, Crittenton) to fill the SG-SF spots. (This assumes Miller isn't still off season trade bait.)

Foye
Brewer
Gay/Brewer
Jefferson
(R Lopez)

[Blame Rasho]

good point Rasho.

How about trading Beasley for Rudy Gay? Gay has all star potential and a Gay - Brewer wing combo would offer great length and flexibility, especially on defense. Beasley would be a nice fit in Memphis and they have their own pick along with the wing depth (Miller, Crittenton) to fill the SG-SF spots. (This assumes Miller isn't still off season trade bait.)

Foye
Brewer
Gay/Brewer
Jefferson
(R Lopez)

I am not sure how you would be able to have both Gay and Lopez on your team but it would be ideal for an upcoming team with unbelievable potential on both ends on the court.

[GopherIt!]

I am hoping we come up with a trade of picks and/or player(s) to land a 18-25ish pick to land Robin Lopez. I am thinking he would be available in that range. (Unlike his bro who will likely be a top five pick.)

[mandurugo]

good point Rasho.

How about trading Beasley for Rudy Gay? Gay has all star potential and a Gay - Brewer wing combo would offer great length and flexibility, especially on defense. Beasley would be a nice fit in Memphis and they have their own pick along with the wing depth (Miller, Crittenton) to fill the SG-SF spots. (This assumes Miller isn't still off season trade bait.)

Foye
Brewer
Gay/Brewer
Jefferson
(R Lopez)

I think I'd trade Jefferson for Gay before Beasley, I expect Beasley to become better than Jefferson. I wonder which player Memphis would prefer?

[Worm Guts]

http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=789789

According to this thread, McHale dislike Beasley and would be willing to trade the 2nd pick if Rose is gone.

[the_bruce]

Trading Beasly would be the worst move ever, I'd entertain possibilities of course, but uh I doubt any team could put an offer to make me think twice about it.

Bulls could get me by overpaying with: Noah + deng
noah\al\deng\brewer\foye

uh....other than that I don't think theres a combo I would consider that would be available. That kid is going to be a beast imo. I also think he would be a great fit next to al contrary to what most posters think on the boards think.

Defensively I think beasly will be able to guard the quicker perimeter based PF's that Al cannot. He's got enough quickness and length to guard opposing 3's too and he's got enough length, hops, and size to guard(get in the way effectively) 7 footers if he accidently gets switched up on them. I mean what are his stats 6'9-6'10, 230+, 9+ft standing reach, my guess is his vert is 38ish(give or take 2 inches either way). I really want to see his camp numbers!!

Offensively Beasly can do just about anything, and regardless of where Al plays Beasly should be able to still use both his inside\outside game. I usually don't get to hyped up about prospects....but I really like Beasly.

[Blame Rasho]

Bulls could get me by overpaying with: Noah + deng

Is that really overpaying? I don't think so. I think it is kinda underpaying( are Noah and Deng allstar caliber players?) Remember you would have to give up some contracts as well to make it work along with the pick.

[the_bruce]

Bulls could get me by overpaying with: Noah + deng

Is that really overpaying? I don't think so. I think it is kinda underpaying( are Noah and Deng allstar caliber players?) Remember you would have to give up some contracts as well to make it work along with the pick.

Noah played pretty well near the end of the season when he was getting 30mpg. He was probably 10\7\1.5\1.5\1.5 over the final 2 months. While not exactly a double double machine his all around numbers were pretty good considering he didnt get much playing time in the beginning of the season. He's got some absurd passing skills for a 7 footer, is mobile and defensive.

When you throw in Deng who's still very young and putting up 17\6\2.5 and was injured for large parts of the year it has to be a serious consideration and while it may not look like overpaying or underpaying either way depending on who you ask. BEasly does have some questionable circumstances that lessen his value as a potential franchise player.

Neither of these guys will ever be superstars. IMO Noah might make an allstar game in a few years if he develops some better offense. Deng probably never will unless he develops some outside game or other players are injured and he takes their spot.

I think it's still overpaying, and I'm not sure I'd pull the trigger on such a deal but It would have me listening.

The thing I love about Beasly is he makes basketball look effortless even with 2-3 defenders all over him, and that's something you see in a lot of great players. The problem with evaluating him is that a lot of great players make the game look effortless. What brings them over the top is desire, and I'm not sure I've ever seen that flicker of passion from him in college during the few games i watched. I think the kid loves to be better than his opponents or his opponents team by himself, but may not have the desire to win a game or championship, etc. I'm not sure what sort of numbers he would have put up in a better program surrounded by other top notch players or why he chose to goto kstate....but you have to question it\him and it should lessen his value to a degree until he proves otherwise. So its a risk....

At worst he develops in Melo-esque talented scoring machine with a bad attitude making poor choices. I'd take Deng + Noah over Melo, but I might be one of the few who would.

Middle of the road he becomes larry johnson\derrick coleman

High end Shawn Marion with an absurd offensive game

super high end he becomes marionesque on defense and ups his assist\team basketball, finds\shows desire to win, etc.

[Devilzsidewalk]

hard for me to gauge Beasley's potential, he seems like a guy that can score huge numbers, his skills are too versatile to contain him. If you put a PF on him; even a great defender like KG; he's going to blow by them from the perimeter. In the paint there's really no SF that can handle him.

On defense I have no idea, I'd guess he'd be a Lebron type defender; athletically capable of playing great defense, but inconsistent in effort.

[mandurugo]

The thing I love about Beasly is he makes basketball look effortless even with 2-3 defenders all over him, and that's something you see in a lot of great players. The problem with evaluating him is that a lot of great players make the game look effortless. What brings them over the top is desire, and I'm not sure I've ever seen that flicker of passion from him in college during the few games i watched. I think the kid loves to be better than his opponents or his opponents team by himself, but may not have the desire to win a game or championship, etc. I'm not sure what sort of numbers he would have put up in a better program surrounded by other top notch players or why he chose to goto kstate....but you have to question it\him and it should lessen his value to a degree until he proves otherwise. So its a risk....

As I recall they hired his AAU coach as one of their assistants - that's why they also got a few of their other better than normal recruits..

[shrink]

Okafor + #8 for #2 + Walker

[the_bruce]

probably very close imo

[PeeDee]

Okafor + #8 for #2 + Walker

Even I would prolly do this, well, if Gallinari or Randolph is available @ 8.

Not sure that Cats fans will like it though. Also, can we sign Okafor to a contract that makes sense for everyone?