Mavs want josh smith or Marion

[Hood President]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/s ... tro-080515

heres a the main part of it

"It sounds as though June, July and August will be busy, too, with rumblings already in circulation about the Mavs hoping they can work their way into the sign-and-trade mix for either Miami's Shawn Marion or Atlanta's Josh Smith. They are likewise bound to be linked in trade speculation to Indiana's Jermaine O'Neal, given O'Neal's successes playing for Carlisle and amid a growing anticipation in Dallas that swingman Josh Howard (after last month's marijuana monologues) and former Carlisle go-to guy Jerry Stackhouse (who only has one year and $2 million guarantee for 2009-10 left on his contract) will be offered in various trade scenarios."

im guessing howard is on his way out if it happens

[Rand10]

I don't think Smith is realistic, and it would probably take some 3-way to get Marion.

[Pointguard01]

^What he said.

Smith's not happening and Marion is unlikely IMO.

[JES12]

LOL, when I read the title, I thought it was JR Smith & Marion.

My perfect (and somewhat realistic) off season would be

Howard & Stack for Marion
JR Smith with MLE
Sign R. Terry to rookie min

Dampier / Bass
Dirk / Bass
Marion/R. Terry
Smith / Wright (or Jones if he does not opt out)
Kidd / J. Terry

Yup, simple but effective with Kidd as the PG as JR Smith is 1) athletic, 2) the type of player who can be better with Kidd, 3) A good defender, 4) Speedy enough to defend the player's Kidd can't and 5) poss. can be had with MLE, though Denver may match

[Pointguard01]

JR Smith is a good defender? I think that's a stretch. He would add some athelticism, but he is another "jumpshooter" that only gets to the FT line 2 times a game. Not totally aginst him, but I dont think that team above gets to the 2nd round in the playoffs. And I dont think Miami accepts that deal.

[JES12]

JR Smith is a good defender? I think that's a stretch. He would add some athelticism, but he is another "jumpshooter" that only gets to the FT line 2 times a game. Not totally aginst him, but I dont think that team above gets to the 2nd round in the playoffs. And I dont think Miami accepts that deal.

Granted, out of all the teams I watch on league pass, Denver is on the lower end of the list, but every game I watched, JR was doing well defensively and was more of a dunker from AI & Melo who happens to have a jumpshot (a Howard in the making?).

And as far as Howard, I'm sure Miami would do that deal. If they draft Rose, a lineup of Rose, Wade & Howard would work well together at the 1-2-3. Moreso than Marion who needs a Nash or Kidd like PG. Also, Stack would still allow them to go after Brand the following off-season whereas Terry would not.

So while some of the Miami fans on real-gm would not like it, to think it would not happen is a stretch IMO. Howard & expiring for Marion would be a good trade for both teams IMO.

[A-Town Connection]

I am all on board with Marion coming in. JR Smith looks like the best option for SG( unless we want to sign another over the hill SG past his prime). I havent really watched a ton of him, but he is def. an upgrade over what we have now. For the MLE thou, I think Denver might match

[dirkforpres]

Marion would be a great fit for this team... Im not even going to try to think of a trade scenario for Josh Smith. I highly doubt Atlanta will be changing much in this offseason after the success they had against the Celtics in the first round. If we could get Marion for just Josh Howard, I would be very happy. Jermaine O'Neal and/or Diop would have to be looked at as well though, because we still need another center.

[from_ro_to_dirk]

My problem with JR Smith is that if he's not hitting his jumpers (and yes he basically takes only jump shots) you will get NOTHING else from him. He'll either get you a line of 15-2-1 or 3-0-2. He's prone to some terrible shooting games. I'd like him off the bench, not as a starter.

[JES12]

My problem with JR Smith is that if he's not hitting his jumpers (and yes he basically takes only jump shots) you will get NOTHING else from him. He'll either get you a line of 15-2-1 or 3-0-2. He's prone to some terrible shooting games. I'd like him off the bench, not as a starter.

Stack? Terry? Jones? Wright? JR Smith?

I'd take smith at SG over any of those. Terry at PG, but Smith at SG.

[Hoops23]

Miami might consider trading Marion to the Mavs if they take Blount too for Howard and player/s with expiring contracts. . . Perhaps a 3rd team is needed.

[JES12]

Miami might consider trading Marion to the Mavs if they take Blount too for Howard and player/s with expiring contracts. . . Perhaps a 3rd team is needed.

The best thing you can do with Blount is negoitiate a buyout this off-season where all his salary is slotted this year and none on the ETO next year.

He is guaranteed $8,513,916 this year & his ETO is $7,967,375. If you negotiate a buyout of of this year's salary ($8,513,916 ) he can sign a deal where the next two years he would be able to make up his ETO.

Or maybe some team would take Haslem & Blount for expirings, but there is no reason to talk Blount in a Howard / Marion swap as Miami would already be getting the better player and the better player for a Rose & Wade lead team.

[Joe Kleazy]

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The best thing you can do with Blount is negoitiate a buyout this off-season where all his salary is slotted this year and none on the ETO next year.

He is guaranteed $8,513,916 this year & his ETO is $7,967,375. If you negotiate a buyout of of this year's salary ($8,513,916 ) he can sign a deal where the next two years he would be able to make up his ETO.

Or maybe some team would take Haslem & Blount for expirings, but there is no reason to talk Blount in a Howard / Marion swap as Miami would already be getting the better player and the better player for a Rose & Wade lead team.

How is howard the better player between he and marion and you want to trade him for marion? D. Rose is not on the level of nash or kidd but he is a terrific distributing guard that has the ability to score if needed, so if miami gets rose in the draft keeping marion would be a great move for them. The only way marion will be leaving MIA is if the money situation dosen't work out like he wants it because I'm sure winning will come easier in the east with a healthy wade and rose especially if the wallet is full like he wants it. Plus I'm sure the women out there are more exotic and sexy.

[from_ro_to_dirk]

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Stack? Terry? Jones? Wright? JR Smith?

I'd take smith at SG over any of those. Terry at PG, but Smith at SG.

ok dude, i know with you you have to explain the WHOLE team organization top to bottom or you get worked up. Of course i want an upgrade at SG, I just dont want JR to be the starting upgrade. I'd want it to be someone else thats better than him taht gives you a little more than either a few 3s or nothing at all. I'd want him as a bench guy.

My reason for talkinmg about JR was not to cover the Mavericks shooting gaurd needs or ways to fill it, but to just give my $0.02 about JR Smith as a starter.

[Pointguard01]

Granted, out of all the teams I watch on league pass, Denver is on the lower end of the list, but every game I watched, JR was doing well defensively and was more of a dunker from AI & Melo who happens to have a jumpshot (a Howard in the making?).

And as far as Howard, I'm sure Miami would do that deal. If they draft Rose, a lineup of Rose, Wade & Howard would work well together at the 1-2-3. Moreso than Marion who needs a Nash or Kidd like PG. Also, Stack would still allow them to go after Brand the following off-season whereas Terry would not.

So while some of the Miami fans on real-gm would not like it, to think it would not happen is a stretch IMO. Howard & expiring for Marion would be a good trade for both teams IMO.

Well I disagree with JR Smith. While I dont want Terry to be our best option at SG, JR Smith would be yet another jumpshooter alongside Dirk, Terry, Howard and even Kidd as his quickness as left him to get to the rim. He is a horrible fit if we keep the team relatively the same IMO.

[littlemav]

i know its not going to happen or anything...but just think for a second about how awesome it would be to have josh smith....

think of a starting line-up of possibly (assuming we gave up j-ho and pieces to get him)

dirk
josh smith
bass
jet
kidd

or even

damp
josh smith
dirk
jet
kidd

[JES12]

ok dude, i know with you you have to explain the WHOLE team organization top to bottom or you get worked up. Of course i want an upgrade at SG, I just dont want JR to be the starting upgrade. I'd want it to be someone else thats better than him taht gives you a little more than either a few 3s or nothing at all. I'd want him as a bench guy.

My reason for talkinmg about JR was not to cover the Mavericks shooting gaurd needs or ways to fill it, but to just give my $0.02 about JR Smith as a starter.

I wasn't trying to be negative. I can see where that post may have seemed that way. I appologize.

IMO, a bonified SG will not be available at MLE, but I could be wrong.

Pointguard01
Fair enough.

Joe Kleazy
Howard can school Marion anytime he wants. He is hands down the better player, but Marion can be a better system player in a system with a better distributing PG than Rose (sorry, he is not all that of a distributer).
Howard would be better with Wade & Rose while Marion would be better with Kidd. Hope that answere's your question "How is howard the better player between he and marion and you want to trade him for marion?"

[JES12]

i know its not going to happen or anything...but just think for a second about how awesome it would be to have josh smith....

think of a starting line-up of possibly (assuming we gave up j-ho and pieces to get him)

dirk
josh smith
bass
jet
kidd

or even

damp
josh smith
dirk
jet
kidd

Josh Smith would require at least Howard & Bass.

[Hoops23]

Or maybe some team would take Haslem & Blount for expirings, but there is no reason to talk Blount in a Howard / Marion swap as Miami would already be getting the better player and the better player for a Rose & Wade lead team.

Since when did Howard became better than Marion? You've must be kidding! Is this a joke or what!? If it is, you don't know what you're talking about.

Tell your owner that you already have the better player in Howard and there is no point of trading him.

[HMFFL]

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Josh Smith would require at least Howard & Bass.

Bingo. Even still Atlanta doesn't need Josh Howard when they already have Marvin Williams at the 3. I just don't see Atlanta being interested.