Was Rashard Lewis worth it?

Wade2k6 · Post #201 » by **Wade2k6** » Fri May 16, 2008 10:00 pm

PimpORL wrote:No, but this season was still amazing. Magic have the best offense in the East, some pretty damn good defense thanks to SVG, and we have so much room for improvement. I know that the Magic will at least have a great shot to get a title in the next 5 years. I'll take it. It's funny how people ask questions when they know how at least 90% of people will respond.

I'm not understanding how they have a great shot at a title in the next 5 years. Howard is a monster we all know that. Hedo is a good role player and so is Lewis. They have 3 pretty good peices.

Besides that though they have a top 20 PG, a SG that sucks, and a bench that is filled with a bunch of scrubs.

On top of that, they have over 50 million dollars tied up on 3 players, 5 years from now! How do you expect them to upgrade at SG, PG and there bench with no money to spend? For the next few years they're going to be drafting at 20-25, giving them a low selection in the drafts.

Bucs80 · Post #202 » by **Bucs80** » Fri May 16, 2008 11:31 pm

PimpORL wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Except that they really are. lol At the Magic being equal to the Trailblazers. What a **** joke. richboy, what team are you a fan of again? It definitely isn't the Magic.

Magic are the better team but by how much.

It's not alot I can tell you that.

The Thing I think about Orlando is that they might turn into the Bulls. Not fall to that extent because they do have Dwight Howard. Like We had McGrady. But we could turn inot an average team at anytime. They were good for 3 years, and were really overrated. and it finally showed this year. Orlando is in that same category.

pballa · Post #203 » by **pballa** » Fri May 16, 2008 11:46 pm

richboy wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Why you don't like the Blazers chances. They have a franchise center coming into the fold. They have another lottery pick this year. They have perhaps the best euro SG since Manu in Rudy Fernandez coming to the team. They have a promising young PG playing overseas and another talented young point guard playing with them. They already have a very good SG and PF in Roy and Aldridge. Matter of fact if you take the Magic win percentage vs different level of competition and put it out west they win about the same amount of games as the Portland Trailblazers now.

proof?

Post #204 » by **Three34** » Sat May 17, 2008 12:59 am

I'm not reading all of this thread, but I'm willing to bet that it doesn't consist of 17 pages of people saying "Jesus Christ no" in response to the original question.

And that's a shame. It should be.

Rccanes2311 · Post #205 » by **Rccanes2311** » Sat May 17, 2008 2:55 am

theTHIEF wrote:the two most active topics on the GB are Magic related...best press you can get...

When everyones bad mouthing your team for obvious mistakes made like the Contract and the players opening mouth when they just shouldve shut up you can. I'd rather them saying man the Magic sure are taking the Pistons to their limit and really took advantage of the fact that Billups was gone instead of them basically laughing at our fan base and players for being delusional.

theTHIEF · Post #206 » by **theTHIEF** » Sat May 17, 2008 3:23 am

there are a ton of posters on this site that make it their personally duty to bash teams/fan bases/players/coaches etc...there are also posters that think they KNOW what is best for teams and of course there are a few posters who just plain hate specific teams/players etc....luckily for me, I dont care...My typical order of operation is *read* *chuckle* *move on to next topic*...everyone has their own opinion of things...some just think that thei opinions matter to the extent that it will change something...fortunatly for the sake of sanity in sports no ones opinion matter outside of the club...only the team and the course of a season can make things happen...so I just buy my season tickets and enjoy my team...it is what it is...no use in exhausting myself to no end...the team will do whatever they see fit and they don't really care what I or anyone else has to say...this being the case for every team in every major league...

I mean there is nothing else to say...I'm not going to throw out names and start calling people delusional and thinking you yourself are not delusion for your own rationale, because that is down right ludicrous...not to mention childish, so you wont see me down on that level...Everyone is entitled to posting whatever that want as long as it falls in line with the rules and isn't deemed worthless to the overall good of the site...

UDRIH14 · Post #207 » by **UDRIH14** » Sat May 17, 2008 3:38 am

whether lewis was worth it or not, but when you compared the magics investment into him to what the knicks pay for the there useless scrubs without even havin a sniff at the playoffs, paid off for the magic, but long term is not good.

Post #208 » by **Flash3** » Sat May 17, 2008 3:46 am

richboy wrote:
The Blazers won 41 games in the West. They could have easily won upper 40 to 50 games in the East. The Magic win total against the West comes out to barely 42 games in the West.

I hate this argument, because when it's statistically proven for a full 82 game season, the #'s don't change one way or the other.

Take the following fwiw; it was something I posted a few weeks ago on a very similar subject.

Flash3 wrote:Take the following for what it's worth; just something I wanted to share.......

This West > East and all that stuff in the whole scheme of things is non-sense when you bring statistics into effect.

Just the other day on local sports radio down here they were doing a stastistical comparison of Wade/Butler/Odom (03/04) vs. Kobe/Butler/Odom (04/05) to show just how this West>East mindset at particular times is just that, a mindset with nothing else to bear.

The Heat in 03/04 vs. the East were: 30-24 and vs the West were: 12-16

The Lakers in 04/05 vs. the East were: 13-17 and vs the West were: 21-31.

They then took these stats (the records vs the 2 conferences) and extrapolated* them over an entire season and the Heat ended up with a better record vs. the West for the same amount of games a Western team plays against the West, compared to the Lakers, who had a worst record vs. the East for the same amount of games an Eastern team plas against the East.

So, based on these with 2 nearly identical players (as two can be, give or take) in Kobe & Wade, and similar supporting casts in Odom/Butler & others. The East team had a better record vs. the West, than the West team had against the East.

* - data taken into consideration without any outside factors

So, how do you prove that a West team will have a better team in the East, when a Western team, with basically the same line-up as the Eastern team, when placed in the East didn't fare any better than the original Eastern team?

Rccanes2311 · Post #209 » by **Rccanes2311** » Sat May 17, 2008 3:59 am

theTHIEF wrote:there are a ton of posters on this site that make it their personally duty to bash teams/fan bases/players/coaches etc...there are also posters that think they KNOW what is best for teams and of course there are a few posters who just plain hate specific teams/players etc....luckily for me, I dont care...My typical order of operation is *read* *chuckle* *move on to next topic*...everyone has their own opinion of things...some just think that thei opinions matter to the extent that it will change something...fortunatly for the sake of sanity in sports no ones opinion matter outside of the club...only the team and the course of a season can make things happen...so I just buy my season tickets and enjoy my team...it is what it is...no use in exhausting myself to no end...the team will do whatever they see fit and they don't really care what I or anyone else has to say...this being the case for every team in every major league...

I mean there is nothing else to say...I'm not going to throw out names and start calling people delusional and thinking you yourself are not delusion for your own rationale, because that is down right ludicrous...not to mention childish, so you wont see me down on that level...Everyone is entitled to posting whatever that want as long as it falls in line with the rules and isn't deemed worthless to the overall good of the site...

I see what your saying. I'm just saying the fanbase sounds kinda crazy for saying Lewis earned his money. Sure we got better but who's to say that the Magic didn't just pay to become the Mavericks. I mean were getting happy because 32 year old Tony Battie is coming back to the team. Then in a year if not this off season we lose one of the top 4th qtr scorers in the league cause I just don't see how the Magic can keep him and Lewis and Lewis is untradable the only GM crazy enough to trade for him either works for the Magic or is out of the league (Thomas). Lewis isn't as good as Hedo and doesn't make the big plays when it matters most like him. Unless Smith becomes a good GM over night I don't see how we won't just become a good team who's no real threat in the playoffs. Now i could be wrong if Dwight ever develops a shot then theres a good chance we get a few championships, but I'm not going to count on that until I actually see him make some.

Post #210 » by **Three34** » Sat May 17, 2008 4:06 am

UDRIH14 wrote:whether lewis was worth it or not, but when you compared the magics investment into him to what the knicks pay for the there useless scrubs without even havin a sniff at the playoffs, paid off for the magic, but long term is not good.

When you're finding a comparison one move to a long list of awful moves by one of the worst run franchises in recent history, you know that that one move is a baaaaaaad move. You've taken the worst thing out there, and said "at least it's not this!". Well, no, it isn't. But that only makes it the second worst thing ever.

JazzItUp13 · Post #211 » by **JazzItUp13** » Sat May 17, 2008 5:34 am

not a chance...this guy isn't a go to scorer. He won't ever be the guy to get you a bucket when you need it.

richboy · Post #212 » by **richboy** » Sat May 17, 2008 7:03 am

Flash3 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

So, how do you prove that a West team will have a better team in the East, when a Western team, with basically the same line-up as the Eastern team, when placed in the East didn't fare any better than the original Eastern team?

Where here is a good post that kind of went into this topic.

JES12 wrote:

And who is the bad team? Orlando or Sacramento? The point is that they both have similar % against the same type of teams. The difference in their is about a 26 game swing from the good teams the Kings face and the bad teams the Magic face.

That's why your opinion is biased. The Kings are better than you give them gredit for and/or the Magic don't deserve as much credit as you are giving them.

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