The Retooling Thread: What do we do now

[Flash3]

Dorell Wright was drafted on potential, too.

[Wade2k6]

Dorell Wright was drafted on potential, too.

that also was at the 19th pick, and when HS'ers were aloud to come into the draft, so you basically had to pick a HSer off his potential. I don't see a potential guy (Jordon, Randolph mainly) picked that high by Riley, when there are alot more NBA ready and mature players in the draft.

Jordon at his size shouldn't still be a labeled a complete potential guy. Players of his calibur entering college last year like Rose, Beasley, Gordon, Mayo all played at a very high level throughout the college year. For the most part they played relitively consistent throughout the year, for freshmen. Jordon on the other hand didn't. He started off decent and was moved to the bench by the end of the year.

[Flash3]

Of course, but my point still stands.

[DayofMourning]

sounds like Stromile Swift Part Deux

Funny, I was going to mention Swift as an example for Jordan. Though, I think Swift will remain the better player.

[Flash4thewin]

Hoopshype says the Mavs are interested in Marion but considering we need him and his max expiring contract to come off the books for the Wade/Lebron/Bosh/Brand free agent sweepstakes were bad trading partners

[heat4life]

I don't know that I would want anyone on their roster except maybe Dirk. Howard ended up being a dumb ass on pot and after the Ricky Williams fiasco, I just don't want part of that.

[CRHeel94]

DeAndre Jordan is similar to a lot of players that came straight from HS. You are drafting on potential that has a huge variance: he can be a total stud or a total bust. He has impressive physical tools, but he is blood raw and there are concerns about his desire. Given our position, we can't take that risk.

[DayofMourning]

I'd much rather take a flier on a guy like Randolph who actually shows how good he can play and understand the game. Funny, but if he played for Georgia Tech he'd probably be considered in the top five already.

[DayofMourning]

From the Toronto Sun via Hoopsworld:

Raptors' Calderon A Fit For LA Or Miami?
Posted: 5/17/2008 3:40:00 AM
Source: Toronto Sun


With so few teams having cap space, the most Calderon can expect is a mid-level offer, which is expected to be in the neighbourhood of $5.6 million US, doubling his stipend from last season.

Sign-and-trade scenarios are possible and teams conceivably can clear space, factors that could lead to a more lucrative offer for Calderon.

But the fact remains that one of Calderon or Ford must go.

There is no market for Ford, while teams privately covet Calderon, who would make both a playing and cultural fit in markets such as Miami and Los Angeles.

Not that the Raptors needed further evidence of the growing divide at the point, but quotes attributed to Calderon highlight a rift with Ford.

"I would like to start and that's the most important thing,'' Calderon is quoted as saying in yesterday's edition of the Spanish daily sports newspaper El Mundo Deportivo, a sentiment he first shared with visitors to his website.

But now comes the kicker.

Continued Calderon in the article: "I've been two years with him but I don't know if I could be another year because things would have to change."

Barring a complete personality makeover by Ford, which doesn't seem likely, nothing can change in Raptorland.

The headline mentions Miami, but no where in the article does it mention them. Why would Hoopsworld mention Miami when the article doesn't? Looking too far ahead I think.

[Wade2k6]

Just talking about having a starting spot, where he would in both Miami and LA, where it's also a cultural fit.

I wouldn't look too much into it..

[Wade2k6]

I think this offseason we need to look towards adding a shooter and depth down low.

-sign Kwame Brown to a reasonable contract, he will rebound the ball, play tough man defense, and shoot a decent percentage.
- draft Derrick Rose, adding the PG of the future
- Draft Joey Dorsey with 2nd round pick for toughness, rebounding and good defense.

PG: Rose, Banks
SG: Wade, Cook
SF: Marion, Wright
PF: Haslem, Marion, Dorsey
C: Brown, Blount, Anthony

End of the year, let Marion expire to make room for Brand for a post presence.

[RJM]

I think this offseason we need to look towards adding a shooter and depth down low.

-sign Kwame Brown to a reasonable contract, he will rebound the ball, play tough man defense, and shoot a decent percentage.
- draft Derrick Rose, adding the PG of the future
- Draft Joey Dorsey with 2nd round pick for toughness, rebounding and good defense.

PG: Rose, Banks
SG: Wade, Cook
SF: Marion, Wright
PF: Haslem, Marion, Dorsey
C: Brown, Blount, Anthony

End of the year, let Marion expire to make room for Brand for a post presence.

NOOO!!!!!!

[BBallFreak]

I'd be OK Wade2k6's plan. Brown does, at the very least, provide a good defensive player.

[Hoops23]

I'd be OK Wade2k6's plan. Brown does, at the very least, provide a good defensive player

I thought you don't like to add scrubs that will affect our cap space next year. Kwame is not the same as the young players who has a potential to improve.

[GameTime_3]

How about this for retooling.

1. S&T, JCN(3yr 12million), Mike Miller,Jaron Collins For Haslem,Blount
2.Draft Micheal Beasley
3. LLE(2yr 4million) Kwame Brown
4.Dont Use MLE- Save money for 2009
5. S&T Quinn For 2 rounder


C-Zo-Kwame-Sasha Kuan(R)
PF-Matrix(Expiring)-Beasley-Collins(Expiring)
SF-Mike Miller-Dorrel
SG-Wade-Cook
PG-JCN-Banks

2009 we would have about 18 million in cap, So we Sign Mehmet Okur to 4yr 40 million.(Something Different),Ron Artest 4yr 32 million(I think artest will only get a 8-9 million range)


2009 Team

C-Mehmet Okur-Kwame
PF-Beasley-Sasha Kaun
SF-Ron Artest-Mike Miller
SG-Wade-Cook
PG-JCN-Banks

Wow, A man can dream

[Lane1974]

Memphis refused a trade of Miller for the expiring contracts of Ricky & J-Will and we were taking on Cardinal's contract, no way they trade us that package for that little

[heat4life]

Kwamw Brown is only 2 years old and was clearly one of those High School kids that needed to go to college first. He has the physical attributes that you would love on your starting center. He could also be a steal if we sign him to a three year-type of deal with a team and player option on years two or three. After the first year we'll know if he is worth devoting time and money.

He is a good defender and is strong. His BB IQ has been questioned but that is the are where having a Bob McAdoo can help. We could make him into a solid center who makes no mistakes and plays defense and stop trying to make him into what he is obviously not, a top center.

I would give him a fly with a small contract to play a role.

[DBurks2818]

Memphis refused a trade of Miller for the expiring contracts of Ricky & J-Will and we were taking on Cardinal's contract, no way they trade us that package for that little

I still don't understand why Memphis turned that trade down. I really think they were scared after everyone trashed them for the Gasol deal.

[Lane1974]

yes, and it still infuriates me that they did, but maybe it will all work out for the best

right after that Wade got shut down and Marion not much later... so we wouldn't have had a chance to see them with Miller anyway

Wallace is still an idiot -- he should have done that deal ESPECIALLY because of the Pau deal... maximize your cap room, get rid of Cardinal's albatross (no pun intended) contract and give yourself a blank slate.

[GameTime_3]

The more i think about it, I say forget Mike miller and build for next years Shopping Spree.

Sign-Kwame Brown(LLE)2yr 4million

Miami Trades- Haslem-Blount For Desmond Mason(Expiring)- Dan Gadzuric-Awvee Storey(wavied)

Miami Trades-Shawn Marion-Marcus bank For Raef LaFrentz(expiring)-Channing Frye-Steve Blake(Expiring)

Draft-Derrick Rose

2009- We Sign Carlos Boozer 5yr 70 million, Miami Sign Ron Artest 4yr 36 million.

2009 Miami Heat

C-Kwame Brown-Dan D
PF-Carlos Boozer-C.Frye
SF-Artest-Dorrel
SG-Wade-Cook
PG-Rose-Quinn


That team is sick....We would have one of the top Defensive teams in the league and a well balance offense.