That's not gonna happen.Sid the Squid wrote:Once Nellie and Cuban get this lawsuit settled on June 23rd, then the two team can come to an agreement on the Baron for Kidd-Bass trade.
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So Dirk & Terry for Marion, Blount & #1?BBallFreak wrote:Honestly, I would not trade Marion and the top pick for Dirk, alone. It would take Terry to get both. Stack is useless to us...
That works.
We can then try to get Terry's value back with the Marion-Knick trade. Unfortunatly, the Damp & Terry for the Cav's pick would fall out, but I was posting best case scenarion anyways. Maybe we could give Damp & Q-Rich or Blount for Wallace & Jones without the pick. I doubt it, but we still can get several picks & cap space in summer 2010.
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Okay
I'm not sure it is possible to have a 6 team deal but here goes anyway:
Portland Trades: #13, LaFrentz, Outlaw
Recieves: Kidd, Lee
Dallas Trades: Dirk, Howard, Kidd, Terry
Recieves: #1, #5, #7, #15 Simmons, LaFrentz, Marburry and Mason
Phoenix Trades: Barbosa, Diaw, Bell, #15
Receives: Dirk
Miami Trades: Marion, #1
Receives: Howard, Terry, Outlaw, #13
NY Trades: Marburry, Lee, #5
Receives: Diaw, Bell, Barbosa
Milwaukee Trades: Simmons, Mason, #7
Receives: Marion
Is there a limit as to how many teams can trade in one deal?
I'm not sure it is possible to have a 6 team deal but here goes anyway:
Portland Trades: #13, LaFrentz, Outlaw
Recieves: Kidd, Lee
Dallas Trades: Dirk, Howard, Kidd, Terry
Recieves: #1, #5, #7, #15 Simmons, LaFrentz, Marburry and Mason
Phoenix Trades: Barbosa, Diaw, Bell, #15
Receives: Dirk
Miami Trades: Marion, #1
Receives: Howard, Terry, Outlaw, #13
NY Trades: Marburry, Lee, #5
Receives: Diaw, Bell, Barbosa
Milwaukee Trades: Simmons, Mason, #7
Receives: Marion
Is there a limit as to how many teams can trade in one deal?
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Easily my favorite Dirk trade is Dirk/Terry for Marion/Blount/#1. Not only does this give Dallas the franchise guy, but Dallas can move Marion's contract for another young player (given the right team and right "young player")..That would be two young players + cap space and then you have Josh Howard still to trade...
Great start to rebuilding...
JES...adding Terry in the trade to MIA would be perfect. Terry is harder to trade than I think most think. CLE is the one team that makes sense, but sense they have West/Gibson and most produce more than most on that team, they might not bite.
Dampier could easily be pwned off to TOR or ORL (Im use other teams) for expirings since they need rebounding and muscle and his contract isnt bad. Stackhouse would be harder but we could waive him and his 2 mill on the cap next season woudlnt be a big deal.
Great start to rebuilding...
JES...adding Terry in the trade to MIA would be perfect. Terry is harder to trade than I think most think. CLE is the one team that makes sense, but sense they have West/Gibson and most produce more than most on that team, they might not bite.
Dampier could easily be pwned off to TOR or ORL (Im use other teams) for expirings since they need rebounding and muscle and his contract isnt bad. Stackhouse would be harder but we could waive him and his 2 mill on the cap next season woudlnt be a big deal.
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Yeah, I'm cool with that. If it was an expiring like Raef vs an expiring like Marion, I would not add Terry, but Marion contains some resale value. Agreed on Dampier. I think Toronto would do Baston & Rasho (both expiring) for Dampier.Pointguard01 wrote:Easily my favorite Dirk trade is Dirk/Terry for Marion/Blount/#1. Not only does this give Dallas the franchise guy, but Dallas can move Marion's contract for another young player (given the right team and right "young player")..That would be two young players + cap space and then you have Josh Howard still to trade...
Great start to rebuilding...
JES...adding Terry in the trade to MIA would be perfect. Terry is harder to trade than I think most think. CLE is the one team that makes sense, but sense they have West/Gibson and most produce more than most on that team, they might not bite.
Dampier could easily be pwned off to TOR or ORL (Im use other teams) for expirings since they need rebounding and muscle and his contract isnt bad. Stackhouse would be harder but we could waive him and his 2 mill on the cap next season woudlnt be a big deal.
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Fantasy world, as in the Mavs FO would rebuild? Yes.
Fantasy world, as in these trades are realistic? No. Most of them make alot of sense for all teams, but its just getting Dallas to want to do it. Though this thread was meant to talk about not rebuilding and instead trying to get better by trading Kidd, but obviously, we all want to rebuild and its hard to not think about until its certain Dallas wont.
Fantasy world, as in these trades are realistic? No. Most of them make alot of sense for all teams, but its just getting Dallas to want to do it. Though this thread was meant to talk about not rebuilding and instead trying to get better by trading Kidd, but obviously, we all want to rebuild and its hard to not think about until its certain Dallas wont.
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JES12 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
Yeah, I'm cool with that. If it was an expiring like Raef vs an expiring like Marion, I would not add Terry, but Marion contains some resale value. Agreed on Dampier. I think Toronto would do Baston & Rasho (both expiring) for Dampier.
I'm almost to the point that if the Mavs could trade away all of their long contracts and net the top pick, another lotto pick and 30M of expirings, I'd be happy as hell.
Marion, Rasho, Baston, and whatever expiring we could get for Howard (+ young player or pick) would get us to that point.
Another thought Marion for Outlaw, #13 and LaFrentz?
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when you guys pulled off the kidd trade, i was sure the thinking was to try and win now with kidd (although i never thought that was gonna happen), and if it fails - you use his huge expiring contract next offseason to reload.
i'm very surprized that's not what you're trying to do, and imo the decision to keep kidd wont' last past the trade deadline.
the mavs' offseason is pretty simple imo -
1. move j.howard for one of the raptors point guards (fillers/sweetners/whatever - that's the basic deal)
2. use kidd's expiring deal to get artest with a couple of kings' bad contracts (say - moore and k. thomas).
with two very very simple and realistic moves you just became a better team, a deeper team, a younger team, and even a team with a brighter future as thomas actually becomes an asset one year later as an expiring contract.
two simple moves - and there's your foundation for a very good offseason.
you can then tweak with the mle, make a decision on bass (with thomas and moore on the roster - perhaps a sign and trade is a possiblity ?), and improve the team even further.
try to win with kidd - and you will regret it - hopefully early enough so that you can try and correct that mistake at the deadline, but then - why waste half a season ?...
i'm very surprized that's not what you're trying to do, and imo the decision to keep kidd wont' last past the trade deadline.
the mavs' offseason is pretty simple imo -
1. move j.howard for one of the raptors point guards (fillers/sweetners/whatever - that's the basic deal)
2. use kidd's expiring deal to get artest with a couple of kings' bad contracts (say - moore and k. thomas).
with two very very simple and realistic moves you just became a better team, a deeper team, a younger team, and even a team with a brighter future as thomas actually becomes an asset one year later as an expiring contract.
two simple moves - and there's your foundation for a very good offseason.
you can then tweak with the mle, make a decision on bass (with thomas and moore on the roster - perhaps a sign and trade is a possiblity ?), and improve the team even further.
try to win with kidd - and you will regret it - hopefully early enough so that you can try and correct that mistake at the deadline, but then - why waste half a season ?...
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The Kidd contract situation more or less will force us to decide at midseason to either rebuild or let the the team grow. If the team played sub par, we will have to trade Kidd to get anything back for us as Kidd will most likely leave the team after next season and go ring chasing.
The other positive about rebuilding at mid season is that Josh will hopfully retrieve most or a part of his trade value he lost recently.
Dirk then gets traded either midseason or next offseason.
So i see no reason to trade Kidd now, he will have the most value at midseason as will Josh hopefully. And this is independent of the Dirk situation, he may be traded now, midseason or next off.
@davidse:
I rather trade Kidd to NY for Mayo and bad contracts. Trade Dirk and Terry for Marion and Rose. Trade Josh at mideason:
Damp
Marion
Josh
Mayo
Rose
is better than building around Dirk, Artest and Calderon or Ford.
The other positive about rebuilding at mid season is that Josh will hopfully retrieve most or a part of his trade value he lost recently.
Dirk then gets traded either midseason or next offseason.
So i see no reason to trade Kidd now, he will have the most value at midseason as will Josh hopefully. And this is independent of the Dirk situation, he may be traded now, midseason or next off.
@davidse:
I rather trade Kidd to NY for Mayo and bad contracts. Trade Dirk and Terry for Marion and Rose. Trade Josh at mideason:
Damp
Marion
Josh
Mayo
Rose
is better than building around Dirk, Artest and Calderon or Ford.
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Captain_Obvious wrote:The Kidd contract situation more or less will force us to decide at midseason to either rebuild or let the the team grow. If the team played sub par, we will have to trade Kidd to get anything back for us as Kidd will most likely leave the team after next season and go ring chasing.
The other positive about rebuilding at mid season is that Josh will hopfully retrieve most or a part of his trade value he lost recently.
Dirk then gets traded either midseason or next offseason.
So i see no reason to trade Kidd now, he will have the most value at midseason as will Josh hopefully. And this is independent of the Dirk situation, he may be traded now, midseason or next off.
@davidse:
I rather trade Kidd to NY for Mayo and bad contracts. Trade Dirk and Terry for Marion and Rose. Trade Josh at mideason:
Damp
Marion
Josh
Mayo
Rose
is better than building around Dirk, Artest and Calderon or Ford.
sorry to disappoint you - but isiah is no longer running things in ny...
their pick is going no where, and defenetly not for a salary dump.
their plan is to have cap space in 2010 - and most of their contracts don't run that long. those who do - do have some trade value.
if they do sweeten any salary dump deals, they'll use guys like balkman, n.robinson, or even crawford.
the pick is only going out for a proven good young player - not a jason kidd...