If we decide to blow it up, this is the best deal...

[Bimbo_Coles]

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The point is... status quo. If we are out of playoff with the original Baron/Monta combo, how is having this status quo make us BETTER? I think that is what we are trying to get across.

If there was a reason that we didn't make the playoffs, it was certainly not because of our starting backcourt.

[GSWhoopfan]

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I agree. Just look at Chicago and see what happened.

Hinrich isnt undersized. Ben Gordon was one of the only bright spots for the bulls...

that...and getting rid of Ben Wallace

[FNQ]

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I agree. Just look at Chicago and see what happened.

Dear Lord... Unfortuntately Bimbo (btw, great reference ) the draftpicks became part of the scenario here.

Eric Gordon is 6'4 220... Ben Gordon was 6'3 190 coming into the league. Eric is an athletic specimen, and Ben was pretty average...

More concerning is the Batum and Lopez picks.... the underachiever that still can't shoot well and then an energy big who's slow as hell... I mean we have Kosta already, we dont need to corner the market with slow stiffs.

If the deal can be swung, I'd like to go:

Love / Rush / Ibaka and take a offensive rebounder in the 2nd.... then I'd love this deal

[giberish]

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The point is... status quo. If we are out of playoff with the original Baron/Monta combo, how is having this status quo make us BETTER? I think that is what we are trying to get across.

The plan is to add a young player (Mayo or perhaps Gordon) who would be able to keep the backcourt playing at the level it did last year for the next 5-10 years (realistcally there would be a dropoff for a 1-3 years while the rookie developed an NBA game even in the best scenario).

During that time the young front court players (Beans, Wright, #14, ...) improve so the team becomes better overall. As opposed to having Baron in decline while the young bigs improve so the team stays decent but never improves overall.

[Sid the Squid]

Keep Baron and pay him the max till he's 44 >>>>> drafting OJ Mayo

[old rem]

Great deal, horrible picks (outside of EG)...


Batum and R.Lopez is a great way to piss away the picks we've just earned.

Yeah.

Gordon can be quite good-if a somewhat small SG. He won't be that good right away. Few guys go from freshman to instant NBA success. He may need a full season to just = Azu.

Batum? A young unseen Euro? What second hand info I have says talented but not that focused or consistant. Who can even tell me what his scoring/reb/asst numbers were the past season or two? Suppose he's just a low energy Pietrus?

Robin Lopez REALLY needed another year in school to find SOME offensive game. As is, think Foyle but not quite as quick. We'd be nuts to take him with much better bigs still available.

[old rem]

Keep Baron and pay him the max till he's 44 >>>>> drafting OJ Mayo

Let's hear it for the King Of Cynics

Mayo won 3 high school state championships in 2 different states,spent summers playing the best high school AAU stars-since he was a soph,scored 20+ as a freshman in the pac 10. Can play PG or SG. Not too shabby.

Mostly....this is NOT a draft where you want mid round picks,and I'm not that keen on even most of the alleged top 10. Outside of Beasley...it's like the next 8 guys are MISSING then at #10 you resume with Rose,B Lopez,Love etc.

[jgustav1]

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Clips get a hometown draw, who will do one of two things for them... either (along with Brand, Kaman, Mobley and Thornton) get them into the playoffs, or (and Sterling would like this) come off the books next year and a massive expiring.

If the Clippers trade Maggette, it will be in a package for Calderon, Baron Davis and Mike Dunleavy cannot co-exist. No way would he allow Davis to jackup 500+ 3 point attempts in a season.

[Sid the Squid]

Dunleavy's going to coach who they give him..He's got 1 coaching option...The clips...Sr.'s living on the edge with his NBA coaching career.

[jgustav1]

Dunleavy's going to coach who they give him..He's got 1 coaching option...The clips...Sr.'s living on the edge with his NBA coaching career.

You don't know the Clippers that well. Dunvleavy controls most player personnel decisions with the Clippers and has much more say in the draft and free agency than Elgin Baylor. He was the fool behind the drafting of Yaroslav Korolev.

[Dark Star]

RUSH AND ELLIS = GOOD THINGS

[-bob-]

Baron to LAC makes all the sense in the world. Its LA, they are built to be a win-now team, Brand is 29, Maggette is 28, Kaman is 26, Thornton turns 25 soon. It makes no sense for them to draft a 18 or 19 year old PG.

[Sid the Squid]

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You don't know the Clippers that well. Dunvleavy controls most player personnel decisions with the Clippers and has much more say in the draft and free agency than Elgin Baylor. He was the fool behind the drafting of Yaroslav Korolev.

How could you have Brand at 29 and want Calderon > Baron BoomDizzle Davis ? That's insane.

[Mylie10]

Baron to LAC makes all the sense in the world. Its LA, they are built to be a win-now team, Brand is 29, Maggette is 28, Kaman is 26, Thornton turns 25 soon. It makes no sense for them to draft a 18 or 19 year old PG.

good point BOB.

They've got to firgure out right away if Livingston is healed from that nasty tweak. If he is then maybe they look to bring in a nice back-up type. If they're not confident in him coming back then they will need a starter big time.

their most important needs are Elton Brand and a PG. Success this coming year will have alot to do in whether or not Elton re-signs there.

So yeah I could see interest coming from this direction (Clips). Not sure if the Warriors value Maggette and Livingston enough. I know they wouldn't mind the number 6.

Personally I've seen alot worse trades around here. If Livingston can get back to where he was pre-injury, and Maggette for a one year trial, and possibly getting Love out of the deal, then yeah.

Baron (no number 14) for Mags, Livingston, number 6

[jgustav1]

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How could you have Brand at 29 and want Calderon > Baron BoomDizzle Davis ? That's insane.

I want a PG who has a good assist/turnover ratio and hits over 40% of his threes. I don't want a guy like Davis jacking up 500+ 3 point attempts and hitting 1/3 of them.

The Clippers would be much more interested in Arenas than Davis, although it is unlikely that Arenas will opt out.

[Sid the Squid]

Ive never realized Baron had a bad ass/to ratio..You are a wealth of knowledge..Thanks for the info..

[jgustav1]

Ive never realized Baron had a bad ass/to ratio..You are a wealth of knowledge..Thanks for the info..

Sorry dude, Calderon's assist/turnover ratio is 4/1, this is much better than Baron.

[Sid the Squid]

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Sorry dude, Calderon's assist/turnover ratio is 4/1, this is much better than Baron.

Have you always been a wizard at math?

[jgustav1]

No wonder you have 14,000 posts with crap like this.

[FNQ]

The Clippers would be much more interested in Arenas than Davis, although it is unlikely that Arenas will opt out.

Yeeouch.

Let the record show the Clippers fan wanted the less passing, just as chuck happy, and nearly as defenseless Arenas, coming off knee problems and being shut down in the middle of the Wizards playoff run, than Baron Davis.

The Clips SHOULD be after Jason Kidd instead and going after a young PG... they need ball movement, and not the kind Calderon brings where people stay on the perimeter and wait for a kick... they need in traffic, get the ball to Kaman/Brand quickly and keep the ball out of Al Thornton's hands type PGing... the more Al Thornton dribbles, the more the NBA dies a little inside..

Calderon in truth would be a terrible fit.. he's found a niche in Toronto with the other foreign kids who play a similar style (that now Bosh is learning to play)... it seems Colangelo wanted some fame for his own type of gimmick, the Eurogimmick... but if Livingston was healthy and playing 20 per game, then Calderon makes sense for the Clips... otherwise its just mixing and matching boxscores.