Mavs fans need to stop crying...

[littlemav]

I'm so sick of looking at realgm everyday to find something negative and people just complaining constantly. Do people not remember the dark ages in the '90s? Have we come so accustomed to 50+ win seasons? I know that we are here to win championships, so lets think of ways that we can do this, just clear all those tears away and count to 10 before you post something.

1) Don't trade Kidd. Let him go through a training camp and a new system that appears to be designed for him. THEN, if it doesn't work, we can trade him before the deadline (he'll have a lot more value then anyway)

2) Don't already start bashing Carlisle. The guy has done nothing but say exactly what we've wanted to hear since coming here. Almost everyone here wanted to get rid of Avery, and tell me a better candidate out there other than him that will provide a good balance between offense and defense? (other than donnie)

3) If you want to blow up the team, thats cool, your definately entitled to you opinion, but I think we are a lot closer than most of you realize. I truly believe we are maybe one or two pices away from being championship contenders. The roster is going to be changing, let's see if somehow our very own gasol trade is out there.

4) For anyone who wants to trade dirk, why? The guy comes to play everynight and is the most consistent thing that we have. If you trade dirk, you guys think you are complaining now, I can't wait to see what happens after the team performs poorly.

5) GIVE OUR TEAM A CHANCE NEXT SEASON, YOU NEVER KNOW, THEY MAY SURPRISE YOU

[JES12]

5) GIVE OUR TEAM A CHANCE NEXT SEASON, YOU NEVER KNOW, THEY MAY SURPRISE YOU

Or we will see the same ol' regular season sucuss followed by post season disaster.

[DDansby123]

I don't think cutting through the BS and being realistic about this team constitutes crying. If the Mavs make NO changes this offseason, I'll still root for them next and hope like hell they win a championship.

But ultimately, I don't want 50+ win seasons; I want championships. And I think changes are necessary if we want to win championships. Sorry.

As for giving a team chances, give me a break. The core group of this team has been given a pass for three postseasons, and a change is overdue.

[HMFFL]

littlemav, I understand the points your trying to make but times have changed. I remember the dark ages like it was yesterday, but now we have a new ownership, and ones that's invested over 100 million towards this team every year. That's not even including what Mark pays the Coaching staff and trainers. Hell, take into account what Avery is still due.

The current roster won't win us a championship next season and has some serious holes that need to be filled. First off, if we continue with our starters fine, but we lack a great deal of depth on our bench, and changes need to be made there. Investing in old veterans like Eddie Jones and Juwan Howard last year hurt the team. It's time for our bench to be made over and for us to seek trades that will improve our areas that need it.

I noticed Josh Howard was lacking some passion and heart this year. I don't like that at all and I'm open to moving him for youth or someone around his age (Ron Artest, Mike Miller, Corey Mags or etc). I prefer Marion! However, there are plenty of threads about that, so this one needs to be focused on why you feel the way you do and how it can be changed.

[littlemav]

I just want to make it clear that i am not in favor of bringing this same roster back for next season and just trying the same thing all over again. I would be fine with moving anyone but dirk, kidd, and bass (unless we got a heck of a deal). There will and should be offseason changes to this roster. I completely agree with you, our bench is weak. I'm just saying that Carlisle in the past has just always found a way to win, so I don't see how we can't be going into next season excited with a fresh look.

[Teffer10]

I just want to make it clear that i am not in favor of bringing this same roster back for next season and just trying the same thing all over again. I would be fine with moving anyone but dirk, kidd, and bass (unless we got a heck of a deal). There will and should be offseason changes to this roster. I completely agree with you, our bench is weak. I'm just saying that Carlisle in the past has just always found a way to win, so I don't see how we can't be going into next season excited with a fresh look.

I think everyone would be more apt to agree with you if we had trading assets to improve this team. If you aren't willing to part with Kidd or Bass, that leaves only Howard who MIGHT be able to help us upgrade.

Those 2 pieces that we need will be virtually impossible to procure and that is probably why so many of us are "crying" (I prefer to call it begging) for management to take this team in a different direction. Nobody on this board would disagree that Dirk is a stud on this team but that is what makes him so valuable in a rebuilding effort. Two years from now, Dirk will not be much help to us in our rebuilding efforts and 50 wins won't even be part of a discussion until 2015 at the earliest. Rebuilding by trading Dirk and Josh now along with letting Kidd's contract expire will give us some hope for 2011 because we will have draft picks and youth galore and plenty of cap space to sign FAs to address any weaknesses.

[TsunamiZC]

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I think everyone would be more apt to agree with you if we had trading assets to improve this team. If you aren't willing to part with Kidd or Bass, that leaves only Howard who MIGHT be able to help us upgrade.

Those 2 pieces that we need will be virtually impossible to procure and that is probably why so many of us are "crying" (I prefer to call it begging) for management to take this team in a different direction. Nobody on this board would disagree that Dirk is a stud on this team but that is what makes him so valuable in a rebuilding effort. Two years from now, Dirk will not be much help to us in our rebuilding efforts and 50 wins won't even be part of a discussion until 2015 at the earliest. Rebuilding by trading Dirk and Josh now along with letting Kidd's contract expire will give us some hope for 2011 because we will have draft picks and youth galore and plenty of cap space to sign FAs to address any weaknesses.

Would we lose that many games to make those picks worth it ?

Look at the young clubs that will the top teams in this league for maybe the next 7-8 years, Hornets, Sonics, Blazers, 76'ers, Toronto, Orlando...in 2011 I really doubt we will be able to catch them, we'll still be a medicore/sub .500 team except without any bonifide stars. Please lets not ask for something so stupid.

[Teffer10]

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Would we lose that many games to make those picks worth it ?

Look at the young clubs that will the top teams in this league for maybe the next 7-8 years, Hornets, Sonics, Blazers, 76'ers, Toronto, Orlando...in 2011 I really doubt we will be able to catch them, we'll still be a medicore/sub .500 team except without any bonifide stars. Please lets not ask for something so stupid.

Only 3 of those teams are western conference. The Mavs will be competing with 8 teams next season that could be as good or better. I'd take my chances with the draft picks, youth and FA in 2011 over this group competing in the west next season. Trying to compete with this group is what I call ridiculous or to use your diplomatic term "stupid".

[Pointguard01]

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Would we lose that many games to make those picks worth it ?

Look at the young clubs that will the top teams in this league for maybe the next 7-8 years, Hornets, Sonics, Blazers, 76'ers, Toronto, Orlando...in 2011 I really doubt we will be able to catch them, we'll still be a medicore/sub .500 team except without any bonifide stars. Please lets not ask for something so stupid.

Sonics are far from being a dominant young team. They have 1 player who is All-Star Caliber in Kevin Durant. Jeff Green might be a good starter, and besides that they have nothing special at the PF, C or PG positons (assuming Durant/Green would eventually run the 2 & 3 respectively). Yes they will get some lotto picks in the next few yrs, but they have a ways to go. The Blazers do have a good foundations, but far from dominant. Oden has yet to show anything & Aldridge gets overrated, though is young. Blazers will be good, but far form unbeatable/

As for the Hornets, they are already better than us now and will only get better as they play together and have theri youngsters develop like Wright off the bench. And dont discount the Lakers. They have Kobe, Gasol & Odom who all have a good 4-5 GREAT years left in all of them. And not to even mention Bynum.

Dallas' best bet is to suck for the next 2 years, develop a young team and then get into the playoffs by year 3 or 4. And then by year 5-6, maybe you are competing. But I dont see any way Dallas gets better than the Lakers in the next 3 years unless we get really lucky with a trade (like LA with Gasol or something like that).

[Deus]

3) If you want to blow up the team, thats cool, your definately entitled to you opinion, but I think we are a lot closer than most of you realize. I truly believe we are maybe one or two pices away from being championship contenders. The roster is going to be changing, let's see if somehow our very own gasol trade is out there.

You had me until that line.

We're not a player away from a title. We have big changes that need to be made. Not trading Dirk. But trading everyone else is fine with me.

[DDansby123]

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We're not a player away from a title. We have big changes that need to be made. Not trading Dirk. But trading everyone else is fine with me.

I honestly don't see what accomplishes, though. I don't think we have the trade assets to retool OR rebuild around Dirk. What are we going to get for JET, Josh, Bass, Damp, and Kidd that will help us win now? I just don't see it. What are we going to get in the way of youth, picks, and cap space for a rebuild by dealing those guys? Don't see that, either.

I still say the best option is to deal Dirk...though I know with a fair amount of certainty that it won't happen.

Next best bet involves dealing the next best assets: Josh and Bass. I love Bass, but we have bigger holes than backup PF...plus he's young and cheap. If you can fill some of those holes by dealing both those guys and hopefully getting younger, it might be worthwhile.

[Teffer10]

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I honestly don't see what accomplishes, though. I don't think we have the trade assets to retool OR rebuild around Dirk. What are we going to get for JET, Josh, Bass, Damp, and Kidd that will help us win now? I just don't see it. What are we going to get in the way of youth, picks, and cap space for a rebuild by dealing those guys? Don't see that, either.

I still say the best option is to deal Dirk...though I know with a fair amount of certainty that it won't happen.

Next best bet involves dealing the next best assets: Josh and Bass. I love Bass, but we have bigger holes than backup PF...plus he's young and cheap. If you can fill some of those holes by dealing both those guys and hopefully getting younger, it might be worthwhile.

I'm completely onboard with trading Bass. He would be a great player to package with Stack or Terry to get some potential youth or a draft pick back. Bass seems to be a great candidate to be overpaid by Cuban if we somehow get under the cap with a rebuild effort. I like his game but don't see much upside for him. I'd rather have a rookie like Darrell Arthur who has more upside imo and would cost much less. Plus he is much younger. Arthur is projected to go mid to late teens by most mock drafts that I have seen.

I just wish Cuban would get it in his head that this team is not going to win anything with Dirk as the center piece. It will take an additional star player to give us any type of chance and we certainly don't have the trade pieces to make that happen. Time to rebuild before its too late.

[Deus]

You're probably right. Its always difficult to get back more than you give up in any trade. All of the discussions now of trading for Artest or O'Neal right now don't do anything for me. We don't need more superstar scorer type attitudes on this team.

But if we can deal Jett, Josh and Bass for someone like Josh Smith in Atlanta, I would be estatic. The guy is 23 years old and exactly the type of athlete Kidd needs to pass to.

Its just a question of finding the right situation. A good one would be finding an owner whose team sucks, and who doesn't want to pay his best young player a guaranteed 60-80 million dollar contract. That's what happened to LA when they got Pau Gasol for two scrubs and a bag of chips.