I Just Made a Rash Decision

[MyInsatiableOne]

You do know that all Arabs are not Muslims - especially in the States. <g> I love these politically correct lecturers who don't know what they are talking about..

You would do well to research more into the views of muslim fundamentalists before declaring we have nothing to fear from them, IMHO.

Personally I fear ANY fundamentalists- except for Buddhists. Fundamentalists exhibit numerous problems for people in today's society..

Pete

Yes I do know that Pete. The vast majority of Arabs in this country are Christians, but the term has been co-opted by the PC fools.

I have friends who live in Detroit and the area and also some from there, and they are legitimately afraid, and not because they're bigots...I have some stories that would make you **** your pants, but I won't put them here.

I'm done with this topic, but Pete I agree 100%...nice to see not everyone here is a Kool-Aid chugging PC lefty "independent thinker"

[chakdaddy]

And not all Muslims are fundamentalists...

I seriously doubt that someone who is terrified of the entire spectrum of people of a certain religion and mocks them as a whole (religion of peace) is really worrid about the finer points; I'm sure they're all just dirty A-RABS to you.

Besides, is Detroit / Dearborn notable for the Muslim population? Or the Arab populations? I see a lot more Chaldeans around than Pakistanis.

Personally, I think a diverse place like the Detroit metro area feels a lot nicer and safer than, say, rural Indiana where I grew up surrounded by closed-minded right wing fools. Somewhere where in a post 9/11 environment you don't have to worry about getting ostracized just for being brown even if you're not Muslim.


But, gee, it's quite refreshing and revolutionary to be anti-PC. Whee.

[jfs1000d]

My cousin, brother and I have said all playoffs long that we were going to Detroit to see the Celts play in the ECF's. We live in Boston.

I just pulled the trigger on some pretty good tickets for their Home Game 1.

So that's it. If we make it there I'm going on a road trip to Detroit to see the boys play. Even if we don't make it I figure I will be able to do decent selling them on ebay.

Should I be nervous? Detroit just got rated the most dangerous city in America. Auburn Hills is a nice neighborhood, though, isn't it? Should we bring protection? (not trojans)

Well, here's to hoping we make it there...and back.

LOL. You will be nowhere near Detroit. The arena is far outside the city. No need to even visit the city.

Also, head over the border where you will need some real protection (trojans that is!).

[chakdaddy]

I love all these bigots who learn a fact yesterday like "All Arabs are not Muslims", think everyone else is as ignorant as they are/were until recently, and starting pointing an obvious fact out to everyone like else it's big news.

[Banks2Pierce]

Watch out for the Scal lookalike(only in hair color) at the Palace!!!

[Celtics_History_Lesson]

Alright, enough with the Detroit bashing. You are just going to invite trolls and make our job harder.

canman

[GuyClinch]

I seriously doubt that someone who is terrified of the entire spectrum of people of a certain religion and mocks them as a whole (religion of peace) is really worrid about the finer points; I'm sure they're all just dirty A-RABS to you.

Its sad because you trying explaining ANYTHING about the Muslim religion to people and you get this - your a bigot stuff.

FWIW Islam means "submission to the will of god" - and this is (IMHO) poorly translated into the idea of that's its the "religion of peace"

There is this politically correct mantra out there that all religions are kind of the same and they are preach peace and love on earth and so on. It's not true.

People have different values and different value systems. Muslims have a very different value system then the eurocentric judeo christian/greek/roman system that we loosely use as the basis of our moral/legal set up.

When this is explained - its oh no your just a bigot. it doesn't matter if you quote actual Muslims - why they are just "militant." It doesn't matter if you use quotations from the Qua'ran. Oh your just quoting it "out of context."

Yes oh masters of tolerance.

THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE DIFFERENT THEN YOU! Islamic Law does not differentiate between matters of church and state. Muslims wish to live under Sharia (Islamic Law) and bristle at the idea of living under secular law. It feels "wrong" to them. Likewise the idea of universal muslim state is clearly established in the Qua'ran.

They remain blissfully ignorant of basic concepts like the Jizya or the tax that all non-muslims are supposed to pay in Muslim states of the concept of Caliphate - and how its hardwired into the Muslim religion.

If people understood just a few of these issues - you would understand that's its not bigotry driving the "fear." It's just a prefence for OUR system as opposed to the Muslim one. As I explained ANY kind of fundamentalism can run into this problem.

Our "freedom of religion" is constrained by secular laws. You can worship how you want but you can't live how you want JUST because of your religion. This is a problem for many religious people. It's a huge problem for Muslims. (And I will maintain there are HARDLY ANY "moderate" Muslims outside of the states).

http://www.spectator.co.uk/the-magazine ... slam.thtml

When they had the "shoe bomber" on the stand and the judge asked him why he did this and that - he was furiously flipping through the Qua'ran. He didn't consider himself an evil man - he was doing what was right under the Muslim religion (as he understood it).

Pete

[chakdaddy]

So if you were born to a muslim family, would you be a muslim, or would you choose something else since you think Islam is so bad?

You say you maintain there are hardly any moderate Muslims out of the states; well where do most of the Muslims in the states come from? Mostly immigrants; they had to come from somewhere. You talk like you've never met anyone from outside the US.

The bible says we're supposed to pay tithes. Tons of conservatives christians bristle at the idea of living under secular law. Right wingers hate any division of church and state and want to establish christianity as the religion of the US.

What does the shoe bomber have to do with moderate muslims? He was a fundamentalist, that's why he's talking like a fundamentalist. No one was even talking about fundamentalists until you heard the word muslim and decided to start raving about fundamentalists.

You could easily portray Christianity pretty badly by picking things out of the bible too; but as you say oh "your" just quoting it out of context.

Anyway nice cut and paste from a magazine which appears to be a British version of Fox News.

That's fine if you don't like the religion, but you're a complete bigot just bashing the hell out of everyone who happened to be born into a religion you don't like, without the slightest regard to whether they're fundamentalists or whatever.

Seriously, people like you are the reason there is so much anti-american sentiment, with a bomb 'em all attitude about a whole religion. That's what makes people think the US is out to get them and what breeds terrorism; just like how we turned Iraq into a huge hotbed for Al Qaeda where it barely had a foothold at all before.

[chakdaddy]

I still can't believe how people complain about PC this, PC that, like they're proud to be bigots. I guess they are, really.

Anyway, why isn't this thread locked yet?

[Al n' Perk No Layups!]

The bible says we're supposed to pay tithes. Tons of conservatives christians bristle at the idea of living under secular law. Right wingers hate any division of church and state and want to establish christianity as the religion of the US.

That's nonsense. Christianity is not a monolithic block, it has a ton of different sects so you can't establish Christianity as the religion of the US. The whole division of church and state was created by the founding fathers to make sure we weren't paying taxes to the church of one sect and forced to follow one sect's interpretation of the religion as had happened in Europe (Britian for example).

Also to clear up a possible misinterpretation of tithes. That is in the Old Testament (aka the Jewish part of the Bible) and is not mentioned or practiced in the New Testament. The New Testament emphasized "freewill giving" aka voluntary giving.

Also, if you're highlighting Christianity assuming Pete is a Christian to show him the error in his views, Pete's an atheist and doesn't have a particularly positive view of any religious group. This argument would probably have no effect on him.

[bruno sundov]

I seriously doubt that someone who is terrified of the entire spectrum of people of a certain religion and mocks them as a whole (religion of peace) is really worrid about the finer points; I'm sure they're all just dirty A-RABS to you.

Its sad because you trying explaining ANYTHING about the Muslim religion to people and you get this - your a bigot stuff.

FWIW Islam means "submission to the will of god" - and this is (IMHO) poorly translated into the idea of that's its the "religion of peace"

There is this politically correct mantra out there that all religions are kind of the same and they are preach peace and love on earth and so on. It's not true.

People have different values and different value systems. Muslims have a very different value system then the eurocentric judeo christian/greek/roman system that we loosely use as the basis of our moral/legal set up.

When this is explained - its oh no your just a bigot. it doesn't matter if you quote actual Muslims - why they are just "militant." It doesn't matter if you use quotations from the Qua'ran. Oh your just quoting it "out of context."

Yes oh masters of tolerance.

THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE DIFFERENT THEN YOU! Islamic Law does not differentiate between matters of church and state. Muslims wish to live under Sharia (Islamic Law) and bristle at the idea of living under secular law. It feels "wrong" to them. Likewise the idea of universal muslim state is clearly established in the Qua'ran.

They remain blissfully ignorant of basic concepts like the Jizya or the tax that all non-muslims are supposed to pay in Muslim states of the concept of Caliphate - and how its hardwired into the Muslim religion.

If people understood just a few of these issues - you would understand that's its not bigotry driving the "fear." It's just a prefence for OUR system as opposed to the Muslim one. As I explained ANY kind of fundamentalism can run into this problem.

Our "freedom of religion" is constrained by secular laws. You can worship how you want but you can't live how you want JUST because of your religion. This is a problem for many religious people. It's a huge problem for Muslims. (And I will maintain there are HARDLY ANY "moderate" Muslims outside of the states).

http://www.spectator.co.uk/the-magazine ... slam.thtml

When they had the "shoe bomber" on the stand and the judge asked him why he did this and that - he was furiously flipping through the Qua'ran. He didn't consider himself an evil man - he was doing what was right under the Muslim religion (as he understood it).

Pete

+1^^^

What he said. There is not(correct) way of saying the muslim religion is a violent and evil one.

[s1ickd]

And not all Muslims are fundamentalists...

I seriously doubt that someone who is terrified of the entire spectrum of people of a certain religion and mocks them as a whole (religion of peace) is really worrid about the finer points; I'm sure they're all just dirty A-RABS to you.

Besides, is Detroit / Dearborn notable for the Muslim population? Or the Arab populations? I see a lot more Chaldeans around than Pakistanis.

Personally, I think a diverse place like the Detroit metro area feels a lot nicer and safer than, say, rural Indiana where I grew up surrounded by closed-minded right wing fools. Somewhere where in a post 9/11 environment you don't have to worry about getting ostracized just for being brown even if you're not Muslim.


But, gee, it's quite refreshing and revolutionary to be anti-PC. Whee.

actually i concur with guy clinch. my parents are from the middle east, we're christian... we understand arabs, muslims, and the different types very well. the ones we're speaking of in that specific area of detroit are not people you want to visit with your children. i have many friends that live in detroit that echo the same opinion, and they're also of middle eastern descent. no prejudice here, just tellin it like it is.