Cleveland minus Lebron?

BBen · Post #1 » by **BBen** » Sun May 18, 2008 8:21 pm

Honestly, how good would the Cavs be without Lebron? I personally think they'd be by far the worst team in the league.[/list]

Basileus777 · Post #2 » by **Basileus777** » Sun May 18, 2008 8:24 pm

They would still be a good defensive team and a good rebounding team, but man they would struggle to score 80 points a game....

I would say 15-20 wins.

BBen · Post #3 » by **BBen** » Sun May 18, 2008 8:33 pm

Haha, exactly, I don't think there's anyone other than maybe Delonte West (inconsistent) and Joe Smith (ancient) who could score 15 points on a semi-regular basis without Lebron's help. Ilgauskas is just over the hill.

JoshB914 · Post #4 » by **JoshB914** » Sun May 18, 2008 8:34 pm

Before the trade I think they would have been the worst team. Now I see them as like 20-25 wins.

kobe#8 · Post #5 » by **kobe#8** » Sun May 18, 2008 8:41 pm

10-15

Da big3 · Post #6 » by **Da big3** » Sun May 18, 2008 8:44 pm

Clevland - Lebron = S***......

Post #7 » by **TMACFORMVP** » Sun May 18, 2008 9:09 pm

They already have enough trouble scoring, taking LeBron off would probably make them the worst team in the league.

West
Pavlovic
Wally
Wallace
Ilgasukas

...ugh

tmac4real · Post #8 » by **tmac4real** » Sun May 18, 2008 9:25 pm

Lebron is great.

ponder276 · Post #9 » by **ponder276** » Sun May 18, 2008 11:32 pm

LeBron missed 7 games this year - what was their record over those 7 games?

Post #10 » by **nate33** » Mon May 19, 2008 12:09 am

ponder276 wrote:LeBron missed 7 games this year - what was their record over those 7 games?

0-7

With an average loss margin of 11.1 points.

meatball sub · Post #11 » by **meatball sub** » Mon May 19, 2008 12:23 am

I would have to say they would be the worst team ever assembled since they have the worst supporting cast ever put around an elite player. There is no future, just a bunch of scrub ass players. Lebron desperately needs some help but Danny Ferry keeps **** up. The guy has got to be up there with the most incompetent GMs in the NBA.

Post #12 » by **NO-KG-AI** » Mon May 19, 2008 12:42 am

They are obviously bad, but they aren't the worst supporting cast in the league...

It's hard to explain, but I think it's because what they lack is a scoring punch, and LeBron brings just that. There are more than a few teams you can put LeBron on in place of their best player, and they wouldn't be as good as the Cavs.

The Cavs can grind at other teams, and defensively keep it close enough for LeBron to take over.

Post #13 » by **penbeast0** » Mon May 19, 2008 12:56 am

Wally Szerbiak would finally get his chance to return to the primary scorer's role on a team. Does that help?

meatball sub · Post #14 » by **meatball sub** » Mon May 19, 2008 1:16 am

NO-KG-AI wrote:They are obviously bad, but they aren't the worst supporting cast in the league...

It's hard to explain, but I think it's because what they lack is a scoring punch, and LeBron brings just that. There are more than a few teams you can put LeBron on in place of their best player, and they wouldn't be as good as the Cavs.

The Cavs can grind at other teams, and defensively keep it close enough for LeBron to take over.

No, they really are. Think about it...how many would they score without Lebron? Think about every team in the league and take away their best player, the Cavs are the only team that truly doesn't have a legit #2 option or at least a bunch of young players that could get the fan base excited about the future. After Lebron there is absolutely nothing to be excited about on that team long term. The Cavs hit the lottery getting Lebron and then let Danny Ferry potentially squander their fortune.

With how unbelievably good Lebron is he could be going for his second ring at the age of 23 if Danny Ferry wasn't such a **** up. His supporting cast is chalk full of defensive role players and his side kicks are Delonte West and Daniel Gibson, give me an effing break...

Post #15 » by **floppymoose** » Mon May 19, 2008 1:16 am

I picked 20-25, but only because they are in the Least, and I still think it's on the low side of that mark (if I had to guess exact count I'd go with 21).

In the west it would be 10-15.

LiquidFire · Post #16 » by **LiquidFire** » Mon May 19, 2008 1:24 am

wheres the option for 0-4?

Post #17 » by **NO-KG-AI** » Mon May 19, 2008 1:43 am

bove310 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

No, they really are. Think about it...how many would they score without Lebron? Think about every team in the league and take away their best player, the Cavs are the only team that truly doesn't have a legit #2 option or at least a bunch of young players that could get the fan base excited about the future. After Lebron there is absolutely nothing to be excited about on that team long term. The Cavs hit the lottery getting Lebron and then let Danny Ferry potentially squander their fortune.

With how unbelievably good Lebron is he could be going for his second ring at the age of 23 if Danny Ferry wasn't such a **** up. His supporting cast is chalk full of defensive role players and his side kicks are Delonte West and Daniel Gibson, give me an effing break...

I still don't think they are the very worse. I imagine he would lose more games if he were playing with Telfair, Mccants, Brewer, Gomes, Craig Smith for example.

They lack scoring power, they can defend well, hit the glass hard, and decently spot up shoot....

A.J. · Post #18 » by **A.J.** » Mon May 19, 2008 2:18 am

20-30 win team.

Icefire10304 · Post #19 » by **Icefire10304** » Mon May 19, 2008 2:30 am

The Cavs really need a post player that can hit jumpshots. David West is a good example

Storm Surge · Post #20 » by **Storm Surge** » Mon May 19, 2008 4:10 am

70 games

Damon jones can finally be unleashed

How many games would Cleveland win w/out Lebron?